Amazing shortcomings in your collection

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Sergeant Rock

the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

André


Jo498

Quote from: André on October 17, 2016, 05:48:55 PM
Thanks for the suggestion.

I only know Fraueliebe und Leben. It plays on the radio regularly and I heard it live (Jessye Norman, around 1977 IIRC).
Frauenliebe und leben is at best about the 3rd or 4th of Schumann's lieder cycles in order of importance and excellence. The supreme masterpieces are the Eichendorff settings op.39 and Dichterliebe op.48 and I would say a collection lacking those is as "incomplete" as one lacking Schubert's Winterreise or Mozart's Don Giovanni. I'd personally also put the earlier Heine settings op.24 and the Kerner-Lieder op.35 above the Frauenliebe (but at least the op.35 is a fairly loose collection not really a unified cycle).
Tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos, dans une chambre.
- Blaise Pascal

PerfectWagnerite

Quote from: Jo498 on October 18, 2016, 08:02:36 AM
Frauenliebe und leben is at best about the 3rd or 4th of Schumann's lieder cycles in order of importance and excellence. The supreme masterpieces are the Eichendorff settings op.39 and Dichterliebe op.48 and I would say a collection lacking those is as "incomplete" as one lacking Schubert's Winterreise or Mozart's Don Giovanni. I'd personally also put the earlier Heine settings op.24 and the Kerner-Lieder op.35 above the Frauenliebe (but at least the op.35 is a fairly loose collection not really a unified cycle).
Frauenliebe und leben has really suffered in recent decades as the text doesn't strike an accord with feminists nowadays. But the music is gorgeous.

Jo498

maybe, but it certainly strikes me as odd to have heard/own Frauenliebe but not Dichterliebe and op.39.
Tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos, dans une chambre.
- Blaise Pascal

Sergeant Rock

the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

André

Quote from: Jo498 on October 18, 2016, 11:07:15 AM
maybe, but it certainly strikes me as odd to have heard/own Frauenliebe but not Dichterliebe and op.39.

Well, I suppose it goes well with the title of the thread, don't you think ?  ??? ::)

North Star

Quote from: André on October 17, 2016, 05:20:11 PM
Practically nothing pre-1600, except some Monteverdi. No Schütz, only one Palestrina mass (used to have a few in lp times), no Machaut, no flemish polyphony, no spanish or catalan Renaissance music. No gregorian chant either.

No Schumann vocal cycle. No Bellini except half a dozen Normas. No Massenet except Werther.

Very, very little modern music except Carter, Krzysztof Meyer, Thierry Escaich and R. Murray Schaffer (I have quite a few of each). So, no Grisey, Stockhausen, half a disc of Rihm, one of Boulez.
This should help with the Schumann problem.  8)
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As for Pre-1600, I don't know how familiar with, or interested in, the repertoire you are, but if you want a quick fix, or a solid start of an early music library, this set from Ricercar (and I assume the Music in Europe at the Time of the Renaissance set, too) will do the trick. The hardcover book has several informative essays about the music, and the CDs are well programmed, filled to the brim with superb performances of a wide variety of music.

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...or you could start slowly with just one disc:

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And this is a great bargain box of great Machaut recordings, including Messe Nostre Dame, secular chansons and some motets.

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ComposerOfAvantGarde

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 18, 2016, 11:26:06 AM
If you only have one, that's the one to have  8)

Sarge


+1

Absolute minimum requirement for any CD collection :P

Papy Oli

Aho, Alkan, Alwyn, Arnold, Bantock, Bax, Berio, Bloch, Boulez, Braga Santos, Bridge, Butterworth, Byrd Keyboard, Canteloube, Carter, Casella, Corelli, CPE Bach, D'Indy, Dallapicolla, Dutilleux, Enescu, Fauré (chamber), Frescobaldi, Froberger, Gabaidulina, Gade, Ginastera, Hartmann, Hindemith, Holmboe, Honegger, Hovhaness, Hummel, Ives, Kachaturian, Korngold, Liadov, Ligeti, Lindberg, Lutoslawski, Magnard, Malipiero, Massenet, Melartin, Milhaud, Moeran, Mozart SQ, Norgard, Novakm, Peterson-Berger,  Pfitzner, Pierne, Prokofiev (Ballets), Rautavaraa, Reger, Reiff, Revueltas, Rihm, Rubbra, Sallinen, Schnittke, Clara Schumann, Shostakovitch (SQ), Scriabin, Simpson, Soler, Sweelinck, Szymanovski, Telemann (harpsichord), Tippett, Toch, Tubin, Vasks, Walton, Weinberg, Wolf, Wuorinen, Xenakis, Zelenka....and Opera (except Wagner).

...but I am ok with it  8)

Olivier

North Star

I'm not sure those are all equally amazing shortcomings, Olivier  0:)
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Papy Oli

Quote from: North Star on October 19, 2016, 01:14:37 PM
I'm not sure those are all equally amazing shortcomings, Olivier  0:)

Some of the absences are blessings ?  :laugh:  0:)
Olivier

North Star

#192
Quote from: Papy Oli on October 19, 2016, 01:16:35 PM
Some of the absences are blessings ?  :laugh:  0:)
No, I wouldn't say that. Just that e.g. the Mozart SQs, Byrd, Ives, Hartmann, Fauré, Ligeti, Prokofiev, Schnittke, Shostakovich, Zelenka, and the whole genre of opera are at least to me more rewarding than some of the less famous 20th century names on that list.
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

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ComposerOfAvantGarde

Quote from: North Star on October 19, 2016, 01:32:19 PM
No, I wouldn't say that. Just that e.g. the Mozart SQs, Byrd, Ives, Hartmann, Fauré, Ligeti, Prokofiev, Schnittke, Shostakovich, Zelenka, and the whole genre of opera are at least to me more rewarding than some of the less famous 20th century names on that list.
I couldn't agree more. Ligeti alone trumps everything else on that list. :P

violadude

I have heard lots of things from Schubert...All the symphonies, many songs, the last 4 or so string quartets, the Trout Quintet, the String Quintet, most of the piano sonatas....but the only thing I actually have in my collection is Winterreise.

ComposerOfAvantGarde

Violadude! Are you here to stay?
-from coag

Gurn Blanston

I don't have a single copy of Pachelbel's Canon in D! That's pretty amazing.  :)

8)
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André


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violadude

Quote from: jessop on October 24, 2016, 03:56:06 PM
Violadude! Are you here to stay?
-from coag

Yup. So many of my old TC friends are over here now!