Vienna Philharmonic: All white, no women

[Josquin des Prez]

Have you ever even spoken to a girl?  I can imagine no other explanation for the bizarre ideas you have about females.

I simply believe it to be the truth. That's really all there is to it.

[Bulldog]

I simply believe it to be the truth. That's really all there is to it.

And it's only a coincidence that you happen to be a male.

[Josquin des Prez]

Even as a kid i knew there was something inherently different about females. They were utterly incapable of hero worship and that sense of wonderment which derives from contemplating purely conceptual ideas which is characteristic for most of the fantasies and interests entertained by any imaginative boy. Females have always appeared to be ruthlessly materialistic, always concerned with the tangible basics of life with little to no interest for anything conceptual or fantastical. The materialistic nature of women has the effect of dragging men into the ground whenever females are around, which actually interferes with male creativity.

[Todd]

Even as a kid i knew there was something inherently different about females.

Genius.

[The new erato]

Even as a kid i knew there was something inherently different about females. They were utterly incapable of hero worship and that sense of wonderment which derives from contemplating purely conceptual ideas which is characteristic for most of the fantasies and interests entertained by any imaginative boy. Females have always appeared to be ruthlessly materialistic, always concerned with the tangible basics of life with little to no interest for anything conceptual or fantastical. The materialistic nature of women has the effect of dragging men into the ground whenever females are around, which actually interferes with male creativity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfJe8hQ8ha0

[greg]

Actually, it's 32 1/2.

Lol. Either that, or you'd have to encode the number into binary.

Even as a kid i knew there was something inherently different about females. They were utterly incapable of hero worship 

ehhh... you don't really have to think too hard on this one to prove this statement wrong.

[Sergeant Rock]

They were utterly incapable of hero worship

ehhh... you don't really have to think too hard on this one to prove this statement wrong.

Indeed...just from personal experience I can assure JdP on that point: I've been worshipped by many women.

Sarge

[greg]

Indeed...just from personal experience I can assure JdP on that point: I've been worshipped by many women.

Sarge

Lucky...

[Superhorn]

  The distinctive sound of the VPO is entirely die to the special Viennese instruments the orchestras use, such as the Vienna horn, which is supposed to be even harder to play the regular ones.
  But orchestras today don't sound alike at all. The notion that they do is a myth.
  It's impossible for orchestras to sound the same because they consist of different musicians playing different makes of instruments in concert halls with different acoustics.
For example, the Czech Philharmonic still has an unmistakably Czech sound,particualrly in its woodwind and brass sections. When it plays the music of Smetana,Dvorak,Janacek and Martinu, etc, it just sounds unmisakably Czech in a way than non-czech oirchestras don't.
   Orchestras don't sound alike at all today; they never have and never will.

[Josquin des Prez]

But orchestras today don't sound alike at all. The notion that they do is a myth.
It's impossible for orchestras to sound the same because they consist of different musicians playing different makes of instruments in concert halls with different acoustics.

They all sound alike in the sense they all sound boring. No distinctiveness, no special uniqueness.

[david johnson]

They all sound alike in the sense they all sound boring. No distinctiveness, no special uniqueness.

so you're giving up listening, or will you remain bored?  please ship me all of your recordings.

[jowcol]

Even as a kid i knew there was something inherently different about females. They were utterly incapable of hero worship and that sense of wonderment which derives from contemplating purely conceptual ideas which is characteristic for most of the fantasies and interests entertained by any imaginative boy. Females have always appeared to be ruthlessly materialistic, always concerned with the tangible basics of life with little to no interest for anything conceptual or fantastical. The materialistic nature of women has the effect of dragging men into the ground whenever females are around, which actually interferes with male creativity.

There are two kinds of people in the world.  Those that think in binary, and those that don't.

[greg]

There are two 10 kinds of people in the world.  Those that think in binary, and those that don't.

Is this what you meant?

[jowcol]

Is this what you meant?

Arrgh.  A touch, I do confess.  Well played.

[eyeresist]

"an orchestra almost exclusively male and white."

In other words, not exclusively. [/pedantry]

Josquin is afraid of girl germs.

For the sameyness of modern orchestras, blame the conservatory system, not the players.

[Tapio Dmitriyevich]

So, is the Vienna Orchestra operating politically correct now? My doubts. How many men, female, homosexuals, transsexuals, heterosexuals, black, white, yellow, red, handicapped, unhandicapped, working class children, prince of wales-children, etc etc. are involved? I see a bunch of male and white people. Booooo!

[CRCulver]

For the sameyness of modern orchestras, blame the conservatory system, not the players.

The article linked to above notes that the conservatories are producing plenty of female players, and many of the students have come from outside Europe, but upon completing their studies they are not accepted by the Vienna Philharmonic. This is not a matter of lack of non-white, female talent, for there is an abundance of it in Vienna. This is a matter of an institution rejecting such talent. Now, one might defend that rejection on various grounds, but people ought to cut it out with the claim that there just aren't any applicants.

[eyeresist]

The article linked to above notes that the conservatories are producing plenty of female players, and many of the students have come from outside Europe, but upon completing their studies they are not accepted by the Vienna Philharmonic. This is not a matter of lack of non-white, female talent, for there is an abundance of it in Vienna. This is a matter of an institution rejecting such talent. Now, one might defend that rejection on various grounds, but people ought to cut it out with the claim that there just aren't any applicants.

...totally missing my point. I'm saying that modern orchestras sound similar because conservatories impose an international style of playing.

[oabmarcus]

I lived for 22 years in California and, as a minority there, I have never liked "Affirmative Action", and certainly don't want to see it in the VPO.

yeah! Life is not fair, go cry now