Dmitri's Dacha

[Octave]

Also: here's instance of the piece with Weinberg's pianism. (Or on RCA)

The first of your links doesn't seem to include Weinberg, it's this Yedang issue:



Do you know that (Yedang) disc?  I'm kind of interested in the two cello concertos conducted by Oistrakh, but I'm not sure if they'd be more than curiosities.
Also, your second link above seems to be a Melodiya disc, not RCA.  (Maybe there is a secret collusion I don't know about?)

[jlaurson]

The first of your links doesn't seem to include Weinberg, it's this Yedang issue:

Do you know that (Yedang) disc?  I'm kind of interested in the two cello concertos conducted by Oistrakh, but I'm not sure if they'd be more than curiosities.
Also, your second link above seems to be a Melodiya disc, not RCA.  (Maybe there is a secret collusion I don't know about?)

You must look more carefully.  The Yedang issue is one of many that includes Weinberg as the pianist in the Blok Romances.  I have the recording in a "Russia Disk" version

The second is the BMG-issue of a Melodiya disc (BMG => RCA, around that time, which is why I conflate them in my mind)... and yes, they colluded... for example the Borodin/DSCH SQ4t set was long only available in the BMG-version in the West.

[Octave]

I'm assuming Weinberg's name was omitted from the cover of that Yedang album, because for "Satires" and the "Romances" it seems to say, "Piano - Mstislav Rostropovich".  A misprint, perhaps.
But yes yes, there's a piano trio for that piece, like a piano trio with a cello.  Yes yes yes my pretties, it's caffeine


But do you rate those cello concertos performances at all?  You are generally kind of down on Slava in DSCH, aren't you?  Or is that mainly as a conductor of the symphonies, not as a performer and w/LADY MACBETH?

[jlaurson]

But do you rate those cello concertos performances at all?  You are generally kind of down on Slava in DSCH, aren't you?  Or is that mainly as a conductor of the symphonies, not as a performer and w/LADY MACBETH?

No... as a cellist, he was phenomenal. I think his Bach sucks, mind you, all demure and boring, but most everything else is very good. Too much narcissism/ego, often (except, strangely, in the Bach), but that's not always a bad thing.

Yes, it's as a conductor I'm not hot on Rostropovich, for the simple reason that he wasn't a good conductor. But that's not to say that he couldn't achieve good results, as he did on several occasions. Here's what I think of his output, basically: http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2007/05/dip-your-ears-in-memoriam-mstislav.html (Formerly WETA)

[Karl Henning]

Give us a shout when the Petrenko Fourth is available this side of the pond.

[Karl Henning]

Cross-post

Дмитри Дмитриевич [ Dmitri Dmitriyevich (Shostakovich) ]
Музыка из фильма «Подруги», соч. 41a [ Music for The Girlfriends, Opus 41a ]
Polish National Radio Symphony
Mark Fitz-Gerald

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Wow.

The very last number in the film suite, Andrea's closing words, Adagio, is understandably tender.  The wow factor, though, is that it is an idea which is a massive, fff tutti in the middle of the first movement of the Fourth Symphony (rehearsal mark [47]).  (Later in that symphony movement, it morphs into a tender cor anglais solo, fourth bar of rehearsal mark [98].)  Rich as Dmitri Dmitriyevich's music is in emotional content, I remain a confirmed agnostic, feeling that for far the greater part, the precise mapping of the emotion is not a task we are competent to carry out.  Must say, though, that I found the emotional resonance of this musical "cross-indexing" quite touching.

(As noted above, the Подруги music is Opus 41ii (or, Opus 41a as some list it); the Fourth Symphony, Opus 43.)

[Jay F]

I got the Jansons box set, and am now listening to 1 & 15 together. I think it was you, Karl, who suggested that combination. I like it, and EMI conveniently put the two symphonies on the same disc.

The music is new to me, but I have heard hope and sadness and wistfulness (for I don't know what). What a strange coincidence, that I should be listening to Russian music for the first time in my life (well, except for Tchiakovsky's 4, 5, and 6 back in 1989) at the same time I'm reading horrible things about how gay people are being treated in Russia.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/photos-from-russia-everyone-needs-to-see

I got off the classical listening train a couple of days after I read about Cory Monteith's dying of a drug overdose on July 13, and I listened to tracks from Glee for about a week. Glee has probably been my biggest source of pop music since it came on the air in 2009, and I'm saddened by his death in a way celebrities' deaths almost never affect me. It must be the music.

[TheGSMoeller]

I'm truly mesmerized by Sanderling's handling of the 15th with the Berlin SO. How is his performance with Cleveland compare? Similar duration? I feel the Clevelanders might provide a better quality in tone, which is not necessarily a knock on Berlin SO.
Anyone?
Thank you in advance. 

[kyjo]

I'm truly mesmerized by Sanderling's handling of the 15th with the Berlin SO. How is his performance with Cleveland compare? Similar duration? I feel the Clevelanders might provide a better quality in tone, which is not necessarily a knock on Berlin SO.
Anyone?
Thank you in advance. 

Sanderling's rendition of Shosty 15 is even more successful with the Cleveland SO, which is really saying something! Much of this recording's success indeed has to do with the superb orchestral playing of the Clevlanders, as well as Sanderling's general approach to this enigmatic work, which is very well thought out and with more emphasis on substance than irony.

[Mirror Image]

Sanderling's rendition of Shosty 15 is even more successful with the Cleveland SO, which is really saying something! Much of this recording's success indeed has to do with the superb orchestral playing of the Clevlanders, as well as Sanderling's general approach to this enigmatic work, which is very well thought out and with more emphasis on substance than irony.

+1 I do like Sanderling w/ the Clevelanders much better as well.

[TheGSMoeller]

Thanks, Kyjo and John.

[Sergeant Rock]

How is his performance with Cleveland compare? Similar duration?

The Cleveland performance is even broader, the slowest (at least the first and fourth movements) in my collection. Barshai and Kondrashin/Moscow are the speed demons.


Sanderling/Cleveland               8:43  16:20  5:07  20:21
Sanderling/Berlin                      8:29  15:21  5:06  19:41
Caetani/SinfMilano                    8:28  14:28  4:15  19:04
Jansons/LPO                             8:20  17:08  3:59  16:40
Barshai/WDR SO                       8:19  11:43  3:53  13:58
Rostropovich/LSO                     8:13  16:17  5:40  15:56
Haitink/Concertgebouw            8:05  16:25  4:12  16:57
Kitajenko/Gürzenich                 7:58  16:01  4:34  16:59
Rozhdestvensky/USSR MOC     7:46  16:23  4:33  14:20
Kondrashin/Moscow                 7:02  13:43  4:25  15:06
Kondrashin/Dresden                7:00  13:56  4:20  17:10


Sarge

[TheGSMoeller]

The Cleveland performance is even broader, the slowest (at least the first and fourth movements) in my collection. Barshai and Kondrashin/Moscow are the speed demons.


Sanderling/Cleveland               8:43  16:20  5:07  20:21
Sanderling/Berlin                      8:29  15:21  5:06  19:41
Caetani/SinfMilano                    8:28  14:28  4:15  19:04
Jansons/LPO                             8:20  17:08  3:59  16:40
Barshai/WDR SO                       8:19  11:43  3:53  13:58
Rostropovich/LSO                     8:13  16:17  5:40  15:56
Haitink/Concertgebouw            8:05  16:25  4:12  16:57
Kitajenko/Gürzenich                 7:58  16:01  4:34  16:59
Rozhdestvensky/USSR MOC     7:46  16:23  4:33  14:20
Kondrahsin/Moscow                 7:02  13:43  4:25  15:06
Kondrashin/Dresden                7:00  13:56  4:20  17:10


Sarge

Great info, Sarge!
I don't have the times on me but my Ashkenazy 15 is also speedy, especially the finale.  But I prefer to spend more time with the brilliant 15th, so the broader the better to me.


Another Q&A for the Dacha....favorite 13th recording? I love my two from Masur/NYP and Jansons. Would be interested in a few more recs. Thanks, friends.

[kyjo]

Another Q&A for the Dacha....favorite 13th recording? I love my two from Masur/NYP and Jansons. Would be interested in a few more recs. Thanks, friends.

Along with Masur (one of the finest recordings he ever made) and Jansons, my favorites are Haitink/Concertgebouw, Kondrashin/Moscow PO and Solti/Chicago. The latter are unique for their more energetic, less doom-laden reading of this dark score. The Kondrashin may be hard to find but definitely snap up a copy of it if you can-it's an extraordinary performance.

        

[jlaurson]

Another Q&A for the Dacha....favorite 13th recording? I love my two from Masur/NYP and Jansons. Would be interested in a few more recs. Thanks, friends.

Second Jansons & Kondrashin... dark horse (and would never have thought so myself from 'paper form' --) Kurt Masur & NY Phil.



D. Shostakovich
Symphony No.13 "Babi Yar"
K.Masur / NYP / S.Leiferkus
Teldec





Notes from the 2013 Salzburg Festival ( 10 )
Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra 1 • Mariss Jansons

A Russian Pair of Sixes



http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2013/08/notes-from-2013-salzburg-festival-10.html

[Karl Henning]

kyjo: Glad you like the Haitink!

Jens: Glad you like the Masur!

[kyjo]

kyjo: Glad you like the Haitink!

Yes, I am a great admirer of Haitink's conducting. His Shostakovich and VW cycles are among my go-to recordings of these works.

[Mirror Image]

I prefer Masur and Haitink in Shostakovich's Babi Yar. Absolutely first-rate performances.

[kyjo]

More Shostakovich from Petrenko due out soon:



http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.573188

I've generally enjoyed Petrenko's Shostakovich, so chances are I'll get this when it comes out.

Also:



http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.573271

[Mirror Image]

More Shostakovich from Petrenko due out soon:



http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.573188

I've generally enjoyed Petrenko's Shostakovich, so chances are I'll get this when it comes out.

Definitely will get it. I've enjoyed Petrenko's Shostakovich fairly well. I think there have been some misfires (Symphonies 5, 11, and 15), but his Symphonies 8 & 10 were extremely well-performed and are some of my top performances of these symphonies. Of course, Petrenko can't compete with Haitink in the 8th (my current favorite) and the 10th has so many fine performances (Karajan, Rattle, Sanderling, N. Jarvi, etc.). Petrenko is going to have a hard time erasing my memories of Rattle's 4th (my current favorite), but I'll remain open and see what he can do. This is an extremely difficult symphony to pull off well.