Comparing Composers

[karlhenning]

Your opinion doesn't mean sh-t to me. You have been asked for one specific example, chapter and verse, of any of the flaws you allege, and you are unable to do so. Hence the logical conclusion, confirmed by your evasiveness, is that you know nothing of the music you claim to so dislike other than a few vague recollections.

Well, I mean to say: how well does she know the music of Rakhmaninov, when she says it has no dissonances (by which she means only that she likes all the sounds)?

[Mirror Image]

I've met several. I just hadn't met anyone before Teresa who wished to make her dislike of Mozart "mean" that he is "a bad composer."

I think Mozart was a great composer. I believe history has acknowledged this for ages. I just don't like his musical style.

[karlhenning]

I think Mozart was a great composer. I just don't like his musical style.

Eminently sensible. I have only respect for you.

And I need to get to know more of Ginastera's work.

[greg]

I think Mozart was a great composer. I believe history has acknowledged this for ages. I just don't like his musical style.

100% in agreement with this statement (and simply well-put).

As for Rachmaninoff, I wonder if Teresa has even heard some of the raging dissonances in the Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini...

[(poco) Sforzando]

You're quite welcome. It's nice meeting somebody who actually DOESN'T like Mozart's music.

I am truly sorry then, that you won't have a chance to meet the late Mel Merkel. What fun you, he, and Teresa could have had, reveling in your disdain for Mozart. But you can always search for any posts written by "Iago," if you're looking for material.

[karlhenning]

I cannot believe that Mirror Image enjoys the whole "you're quashing my freedom of expression!" red herring of Teresa's.

[Mirror Image]

I am truly sorry then, that you won't have a chance to meet the late Mel Merkel. What fun you, he, and Teresa could have had, reveling in your disdain for Mozart. But you can always search for any posts written by "Iago," if you're looking for material.

There won't be any further discussion concerning my dislike for Mozart. I simply went to far with my past statement and it was unfair. Mozart was great and I'm in agreement with everybody here that acknowledges this. I think anyone who ignores his greatness is simply mislead and uneducated.

Sorry, Teresa, but even I acknowledge Mozart's greatness.

[Mirror Image]

I cannot believe that Mirror Image enjoys the whole "you're quashing my freedom of expression!" red herring of Teresa's.

No, I respect her right to her opinion. That is all.

[Teresa]

Mozart is one of the world's very greatest composers.  Period.  Not any question of opinion, or of "freedom of thought" (gawd, you can be the funny one).  He doesn't become "a bad composer" just because you've taken a dislike to him.

This is your attempt to PROP UP YOUR PERSONAL OPINIONS as FACT.  IT WILL NOT FLY! I clearly explained why I do not like him and why I firmly believe his is not only a bad composer, but the absolute worst.  I gave all of this in intracate detail!  And I am not alone, their are hundreds of others who also have a very low opinion of him.  Your problem is who cannot live with other people's opinions. 

Here is a small sample:
"Mozart was a bad composer who died too late rather than too early."
Glenn Gould

"most of Mozart's music is dull."
Maria Callas

"If a man tells me he likes Mozart, I know in advance that he is a bad musician."
Frederick Delius

"Too Much Mozart Makes You Sick"
Norman Lebrecht 

Your dislike, you see, is such a very feeble thing in comparison to Mozart's musical excellence.  Haydn swore that he was the greatest composer he knew;  whose opinion are we going to value: yours, or Haydn's? 

Easy I value my opinion above all others, as everyone should! You need to learn to trust your own opinions and not depend on outside confirmation of your beliefs.

[karlhenning]

This is your attempt to PROP UP YOUR PERSONAL OPINIONS as FACT.

No; that is a complete and disingenuous falsehood on your part.

Any impartial party owns that Mozart is a great composer. You are in a minority of one, trying to claim that your dislike of Mozart (say it for the hundred-&-first time, to which we all admit you are entitled) means that he is a "bad composer."

Which word don't you understand? (See, I can use large font sizes too, though size doesn't matter.)

[Josquin des Prez]

I love the music of Mozart. Sometimes i feel like a radical.

[karlhenning]

I love the music of Mozart. Sometimes I feel like a radical.

Live the dream.

[Teresa]

I've met several. I just hadn't met anyone before Teresa who wished to make her dislike of Mozart "mean" that he is "a bad composer."

As I stated before I hate the music of Robert Schumann but I can tell he is a very good composer.  Compositional skills and enjoying the musical results are TWO very different things.

[Mirror Image]

No; that is a complete and disingenuous falsehood on your part.

Any impartial party owns that Mozart is a great composer. You are in a minority of one, trying to claim that your dislike of Mozart (say it for the hundred-&-first time, to which we all admit you are entitled) means that he is a "bad composer."

Which word don't you understand? (See, I can use large font sizes too, though size doesn't matter.)

I like those big, bolded texts. Makes your point even C L E A R E R.

[karlhenning]

As I stated before I hate the music of Robert Schumann but I can tell he is a very good composer.  Compositional skills and enjoying the musical results are TWO very different things.

Right. It's very strange of you that you cannot appreciate the musical skill of Mozart.

Practically all the musical world considers Mozart a greater composer than Schumann.

[karlhenning]

I like those big, bolded texts. Makes your point even C L E A R E R.

: )

It's a bit of a glitch in the software, I think, that the font size is such a fragile parameter.

[Mirror Image]

Practically all the musical world considers Mozart a greater composer than Schumann.

I agree with this. Schumann was known to be a clumsy orchestrator and sometimes his musical ideas just don't seem to mesh well. Mozart, on the other hand, had exquisitely crafted music, which is not just an opinion, but a fact.

[Teresa]

My dear, your opinion is balderdash.  There are pieces of discarded wash-towels on the street which mean more to me than your opinion about Mozart, whose greatness is inarguable.  I marvel that your mind cannot embrace the idea that your likes or dislikes do not determine any composer's greatness.

No one persons does, it is all personal opinion, applicable ONLY to the music lover themselves.  It will differ from person to person.  You cannot project YOUR personal opinions of anyone's greatness by falsely claiming it is a fact.  THIS IS EXTREME RUDENESS ON YOUR PART.  Personal opinions are personal opinions, yours included.

BTW I do not value your opinion at all, as I have never meet anyone as close minded as you, YOU ARE RIGHT AND THE REST OF THE WORLD IS WRONG!

It is not so with personal opinions of Greatness EVERYONE is right!

[karlhenning]

No one persons does, it is all personal opinion . . . .

No, this is more wilful falsehood on your part.  There are actual facts involved.

Luke was at pains to discuss this with you. It is grossly rude of you to have disregarded his generous explanation.

My dear, you don't know what a fact is. You hardly know what a dissonance is.

Clearly, you know what you dislike. La di da.

[(poco) Sforzando]

This is your attempt to PROP UP YOUR PERSONAL OPINIONS as FACT.  IT WILL NOT FLY! I clearly explained why I do not like him and why I firmly believe his is not only a bad composer, but the absolute worst.  I gave all of this in intracate detail!

No, actually you didn't. You offered vague generalizations that you could not support by referencing a single specific passage.

And I am not alone, their are hundreds of others who also have a very low opinion of him.  Your problem is who cannot live with other people's opinions. 

Here is a small sample:
"Mozart was a bad composer who died too late rather than too early."
Glenn Gould

"most of Mozart's music is dull."
Maria Callas

"If a man tells me he likes Mozart, I know in advance that he is a bad musician."
Frederick Delius

"Too Much Mozart Makes You Sick"
Norman Lebrecht 
Easy I value my opinion above all others, as everyone should! You need to learn to trust your own opinions and not depend on outside confirmation of your beliefs.

If you trust your own opinions so much, why are you quoting so many outside confirmations of your beliefs?