Chez Stravinsky

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karlhenning

#240
June 17, 2009, 10:49:47 AM
Quote from: Nick on June 17, 2009, 10:03:46 AM
It was actually in conversation with a music Professor at Vassar College (and Stravinskyite) that we came to the conclusion that anyone else in the 20th century would not have gotten away with the kind of crediting that went on in Pulcinella and Le Basir de la Fee.

Two people can agree on almost anything, of course.  Except on spelling.

Quote from: Nick on June 17, 2009, 06:29:37 AM
Clearly, I was referring to the fact that you haven't heard a lot of Prokofiev music.

And your source for this "fact"?

Dr. Dread

#241
June 17, 2009, 10:52:14 AM
*peeks head in. snorts. leaves*

Nick

#242
June 17, 2009, 11:23:11 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 17, 2009, 10:49:47 AMAnd your source for this "fact"?

About The Gambler, Op.24
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 12, 2009, 07:05:49 AMI gave a slight listen to the opera (probably not the whole thing, either.

About The Fiery Angel, Op.37:
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 04, 2009, 03:56:29 AM
Once on a time (back in Buffalo) I did own a recording of the complete opera.  The recording passed out of my possession before I could get to know it properly.

About music for piano solo:
Quote from: Nick on May 30, 2009, 04:06:14 PMBut basta, what about Sarcasms, Op.17; Things in Themselves, Op.45; Sonatinas, Op.54; Thoughts, Op.62? How did we have those absurd discussions on Stravinsky's and Prokofiev's relative merits with so much output unheard?
I've asked this a lot and have never gotten an answer.

About Winter Bonfire, Op.122:
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 20, 2009, 09:22:09 AMI need to revisit it . . . I think I've only listened to it once, and none too recently.

About the lieder:
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 21, 2009, 05:16:27 AMI've got the 3-disc (Delos?) box of the complete voice-&-piano works . . . I haven't quite listened to it all, yet, but I've greatly enjoyed everything I have heard.  Especially The Ugly Duckling, wonderful!

Dancing Divertimentian

#243
June 17, 2009, 06:59:10 PM
Quote from: Nick on June 17, 2009, 11:23:11 AM
About The Gambler, Op.24
About The Fiery Angel, Op.37:
About music for piano solo: I've asked this a lot and have never gotten an answer.

About Winter Bonfire, Op.122:
About the lieder:

That's just flat-out silly. Not that Karl needs anyone to speak for him but the one thing I know for certain is for every work on your list there are at least five Prokofiev works Karl DOES know.

How do I know this? My ears perk whenever anybody on GMG posts about Prokofiev and I can tell you from experience that Karl is perhaps the strongest advocate for Prokofiev on this board. 

So take a breather already...
Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

Nick

#244
June 17, 2009, 07:54:15 PM
Karl knows Prokofiev pieces.

Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on June 17, 2009, 06:59:10 PMThat's just flat-out silly. Not that Karl needs anyone to speak for him but the one thing I know for certain is for every work on your list there are at least five Prokofiev works Karl DOES know.
Even by your algorithm, 10 x 5 is not a lot of music.

Dancing Divertimentian

#245
June 17, 2009, 07:58:37 PM
Quote from: Nick on June 17, 2009, 07:54:15 PM
Even by your algorithm, 10 x 5 is not a lot of music.

It's not NOT a lot of music, either! :D
Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

Nick

#246
June 17, 2009, 08:01:47 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on June 17, 2009, 07:58:37 PM
It's not NOT a lot of music, either! :D

Prokofiev music--that's a lot of music.

karlhenning

#247
June 18, 2009, 04:48:39 AM
QuoteAnd your source for this "fact"?

Your "algorithm," in both method and theory, is rubbish, Nick. Your "fact" is indeed flat-out silly.

And, you are consistently de-railing a thread about Stravinsky.

You are behaving like a troll.

The only question is, are you a troll, indeed?

knight66

#248
June 18, 2009, 05:07:35 AM
OK gents, time out. This is a thread on Stravinsky, not a discussion on how much or little Karl knows about another composer altogether. So, back on track please and no eye gouging.

Knight
DavidW: Yeah Mike doesn't get angry, he gets even.
I wasted time: and time wasted me.

karlhenning

#249
June 19, 2009, 05:02:59 AM
A friend of mine recently reiterated that, much though he enjoys the larger part of Igor Fyodorovich's oeuvre, the serial Stravinsky is "just not [his] cuppa."  To be sure, one's cuppa is one's cuppa, and there you have it.

What serial Stravinsky are you agog over?  (If any.)

At Buffalo I wrote a paper on the Requiem Canticles;  I shan't try to dig it up, for I don't think the paper would particularly repay the redig effort.  But the piece itself, I still find wonderful.

karlhenning

#250
June 19, 2009, 07:09:05 AM
This is apt here, too.

jowcol

#251
June 19, 2009, 07:36:52 AM
Agon would top the list of "Agog-ness" for me for serial Stravinsky-- one of the reasons is that it's not all dogmatically serial, but rather mixes diatonic and serial.  Was it Berio that said something to the effect that Agon was a "short history of music that performed a tragic autopsy on itself?"  There is also a driving rhythmic aspect to Agon that I really like. Together, its a winner. 

Lately, I've been listening to the Ebony Concerto a lot, and the Symphonies for Wind.  Something very cool and dry about them. 
"If it sounds good, it is good."
Duke Ellington

karlhenning

#252
June 19, 2009, 07:43:17 AM
Yes, the Symphonies is a piece I gladly pound the table for.  Heard it live at NEC a few years back . . . pure musical joy to hear those rich chords of the closing chorale ring out in the space!

Nick

#253
June 19, 2009, 01:45:13 PM
I'm a big fan of Agon myself.

Frankly, I really appreciate it when a composer takes elements of particular modern trends and incorporates them as part of his arsenal--doesn't use it as dogma or an intellectual exercise, but just goes about his or her business with another tool.

karlhenning

#254
July 06, 2009, 05:36:57 AM
Gearing up to discuss Le sacre in detail. (It would be a pity to let The Unrepentant Ditherer set the tone for this masterwork.)

karlhenning

#255
July 06, 2009, 06:45:20 AM
I don't often see questions phrased as if a cat is asking  ;)

karlhenning

#256
July 06, 2009, 07:53:39 AM
Quote from: owlice on May 21, 2009, 07:34:56 AM
We have our fun, certainly!

More of this.

The new erato

#257
July 06, 2009, 09:32:35 AM
Lots of agon-nizing here.

not edward

#258
July 06, 2009, 10:32:50 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 06, 2009, 06:45:20 AM
I don't often see questions phrased as if a cat is asking  ;)
Does the cat have berceuses?
"I don't at all mind actively disliking a piece of contemporary music, but in order to feel happy about it I must consciously understand why I dislike it. Otherwise it remains in my mind as unfinished business."
-- Aaron Copland, The Pleasures of Music

karlhenning

#259
July 07, 2009, 03:38:16 AM
What is this thing called polytonality?
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