Artistic Music

[greg]

EDIT:
name of thread changed.




Old post:
I'm not sure if I've made a thread like this already, but...
what if I said from elite to least elite, the genres of music would go like this:

1. Classical
2. Jazz
3. Rock/Metal
4. Pop/Country/Rap

obviously, you can prove specific exceptions, but this is general and something anyone could casually observe.

The reason I put rock/metal over pop/country/rap might not be as obvious- I did it because I'm aware there is an existence of an avant-garde, not to mention more progressive and technical thinking if you get past the radio. Maybe there exists an avant-garde in category #4, but I've tried looking up all three and haven't found anything.

[Philoctetes]

I'd rank world music above all of them.

[Scarpia]

Maybe there exists an avant-garde in category #4, but I've tried looking up all three and haven't found anything.

You've never heard of Bob Dylan, Indigo Girls, Dar Williams?

[Philoctetes]

You've never heard of Bob Dylan, Indigo Girls, Dar Williams?

Or M.I.A., Immortal Technique, Jedi Mind Tricks, Public Enemy, etc.

[greg]

Could I get any youtube examples, maybe?

I looked up Jedi Mind Tricks...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r0KpWMNxnM

waaaaaaaay better rap than what I've heard on the radio. Still, though, I hope this is not an example of "avant-garde." I would like to hear rap with Stravinsky-an metric changes and atonal backing music.

[Scarpia]

Could I get any youtube examples, maybe?

I looked up Jedi Mind Tricks...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r0KpWMNxnM

waaaaaaaay better rap than what I've heard on the radio. Still, though, I hope this is not an example of "avant-garde." I would like to hear rap with Stravinsky-an metric changes and atonal backing music.

Where do you put your video game music on the scale of elitism? 

[Philoctetes]

M.I.A.'s most famous song. She uses amazing and inventive beats. She also has fairily good lyrics, most of them motivated by a strong political consciousness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXVRlB_As9M

Public Enemy, use of different samples to make a piece jump alive with rhythm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWTE1Uj9Z8c

Immortal Technique is known more for his lyrical flow, but he also uses unusual background music to rap over.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLzn7RGmEZI

Jedi Mind Tricks is basically just like Immortal Technique. Has awesome flow, and uses unusual cuts of music to rap over.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r0KpWMNxnM

[Philoctetes]

But to state further, it isn't hard to find very advanced pieces in really any genre of music.

[greg]

Where do you put your video game music on the scale of elitism?

Video game music is too broad to realistically categorize, because every genre is included, except that usually vocals aren't included. In one sense, the music is subservient to the game, which is.... ehhh.... However, ignore that and there is some great stuff. Prokofiev wrote film scores- by itself, the music is great, even though it is used to serve something else. Some of the best video game music I know can be up there.


By "elite," I should mean to say "artistic" or something. It's not an easily definable term, and more intuitive. You can probably only compare when there is enough contrast (a good example would be the "Brittney Spears vs. Beethoven" comparison. Of course, not all music has the same aim.

[greg]

M.I.A.'s most famous song. She uses amazing and inventive beats. She also has fairily good lyrics, most of them motivated by a strong political consciousness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXVRlB_As9M

Public Enemy, use of different samples to make a piece jump alive with rhythm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWTE1Uj9Z8c

Immortal Technique is known more for his lyrical flow, but he also uses unusual background music to rap over.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLzn7RGmEZI

Jedi Mind Tricks is basically just like Immortal Technique. Has awesome flow, and uses unusual cuts of music to rap over.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r0KpWMNxnM

Have you ever heard of Organized Konfusion? This is as about as artistic as I've heard rap gets:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySmdcta_uSg
(awesomeness!) 

I'm looking for something that goes further than that, though (those links don't sound like they do, although certainly far better than radio rap).

[Scarpia]

By "elite," I should mean to say "artistic" or something. It's not an easily definable term, and more intuitive. You can probably only compare when there is enough contrast (a good example would be the "Brittney Spears vs. Beethoven" comparison. Of course, not all music has the same aim.

As far as I can see, elite means "makes me feel like I'm smarter than everyone else."

[Walther von Stolzing]

Dälek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9rs9PSG9qE

Quasimoto:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEHRz_4ROLQ

Flying Lotus:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6SXXx1Fu_4

A Tribe Called Quest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwA5YT2tFNU&feature=related

Dr. Octagon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjKHQeRSvjk

Madvillain:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpaonSDPw7Y

cLOUDDEAD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIuzJqXuxIc

Prefuse 73:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odvKJdjZ9Nw&feature=related

[Philoctetes]

Have you ever heard of Organized Konfusion? This is as about as artistic as I've heard rap gets:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySmdcta_uSg
(awesomeness!) 

I'm looking for something that goes further than that, though (those links don't sound like they do, although certainly far better than radio rap).

M.I.A.'s beats are insanely inventive. I don't think you want something that affirms something other than your hierarchy, though.

[Philoctetes]

@ Walther

Love your selection, especially the Octagon.

[Walther von Stolzing]

@ Walther

Love your selection, especially the Octagon.

Yeah, great album.

Here is another one that should be up this board's alley:

Busdriver:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a0Y-CRx4nE

[Szykneij]

You've never heard of Bob Dylan, Indigo Girls, Dar Williams?

I'm a huge fan. This album is a favorite:

[Scarpia]

I'm a huge fan. This album is a favorite:

Yes, Mortal City was a highpoint.  After that she seems to have meandered closer to a more popular idiom, less quirky.

[Josquin des Prez]

M.I.A.'s most famous song. She uses amazing and inventive beats. She also has fairily good lyrics, most of them motivated by a strong political consciousness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXVRlB_As9M

Public Enemy, use of different samples to make a piece jump alive with rhythm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWTE1Uj9Z8c

Immortal Technique is known more for his lyrical flow, but he also uses unusual background music to rap over.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLzn7RGmEZI

Jedi Mind Tricks is basically just like Immortal Technique. Has awesome flow, and uses unusual cuts of music to rap over.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r0KpWMNxnM

Dreadful, all of it. I seriously hope this is a troll post.

[Josquin des Prez]

I'm not sure if I've made a thread like this already, but...
what if I said from elite to least elite, the genres of music would go like this:

1. Classical
2. Jazz
3. Traditional music

Fixed for ya.

[False_Dmitry]

My understanding of "elite" is a very negative concept - something about "standing apart" on some faux criteria of social pseudo-superiority.

Is this what the question refers to, or have I missed the point?