Schumann vs Mendelssohn

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Which one is your favorite?

Robert Schumann
Felix Mendelssohn

Brahmsian

The Handel vs Bach poll thread by Corkin was a landslide victory for Bach (47-16 for Bach).   :D

I get a feeling a Vivaldi vs Bach thread could actually be a bit closer than that was.

*Ducks and runs dodging giant tomatoes*  :P

Philoctetes

Quote from: ChamberNut on November 04, 2010, 07:38:59 AM
The Handel vs Bach poll thread by Corkin was a landslide victory for Bach (47-16 for Bach).   :D

I get a feeling a Vivaldi vs Bach thread could actually be a bit closer than that was.

*Ducks and runs dodging giant tomatoes*  :P

I don't get how it could be a landslide, but perhaps others appreciate different things than I do. I think I would side with Vivaldi, in the poll I proposed.

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Scarpia on November 04, 2010, 07:26:06 AM
I can.  Mendelssohn's early works bring a smile to my face, but as the years went on, his style seemed to get more and more crimped.   That last string quartet, which is supposed to be a homage to his dead sister, strikes me as the most emotionally stifled work I have ever heard.  It is just saturated with fussy figuration, and never anything that impresses me as an attempt to communicate deep feelings.  Next to that piece, Mozart sounds like Scriabin.

I don't hear it that way. I love op.80

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Scarpia

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on November 04, 2010, 07:45:27 AM
I don't hear it that way. I love op.80

Well, maybe I'll figure it out someday. 

Brian

I really only love one work by each composer. I love Schumann's Fantasie in C, Op 17, like Kreisleriana, the quartets and the song cycles, am OK with the rest of his piano music, and don't at all like his orchestral music. I love Mendelssohn's Octet, like the E minor concerto, first piano concerto, and Symphonies 3-5, and find most of the rest to be "meh." So clicking on this thread I was thinking "Mendelssohn, DUH" but when you frame it as

Fantasie in C vs. Octet
All of a sudden it becomes a dead heat. So we go to the next-favorites from each...

Im wunderschonen monat Mai, Op 48 vs. Symphony No 4 "Italian"

...and all of a sudden, Schumann wins.  :o

DavidW

I'm going to break it down like we did on that other thread:

Vocal: Mendelssohn
Orchestral: tied
Chamber: tied
Piano: Schumann

;D

Scarpia

Quote from: Brian on November 04, 2010, 07:58:32 AM
I really only love one work by each composer. I love Schumann's Fantasie in C, Op 17, like Kreisleriana, the quartets and the song cycles, am OK with the rest of his piano music, and don't at all like his orchestral music.

There are a lot of bad recordings of Schumann Orchestral Music, like the Kubelik cycle on DG that convinced me I didn't like Schumann for years.  Played well, the Symphonies can be electrifying. 

This one is surprisingly non-Bernsteinesq (i.e., it is good).



I have high hopes for this one, recently acquired



Florestan

Quote from: DavidW on November 04, 2010, 08:00:54 AM
I'm going to break it down like we did on that other thread:

Vocal: Mendelssohn
Orchestral: tied
Chamber: tied
Piano: Schumann

I'm in the game.

Gentleman: Mendelssohn
Schizophrenic: Schumann

;D



"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

karlhenning

For me, one angle is, which was more gracious to Berlioz? Schumann by a landslide.

DavidW

Good one Florestan. ;D

Child prodigy: Mendelssohn


Brahmsian

Hottest sister:  Mendelssohn

Hottest wife:  Schumann

Florestan

Quote from: ChamberNut on November 04, 2010, 08:29:28 AM
Hottest sister:  Mendelssohn

Hottest wife:  Schumann

Best wife's secret lover composer: Schumann.  ;D
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

Brahmsian


Brahmsian

Best composer promoter (tough one):

Bach - Mendelssohn

Brahms, Schubert (finding the score to the 9th) - Schumann

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Scarpia on November 04, 2010, 08:05:37 AM
This one is surprisingly non-Bernsteinesq (i.e., it is good).

That Spring Symphony is especially electrifying. Add Barenboim and Szell's cycles to your collection and you've got all the bases covered  8)


Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Bulldog

Nothing from Mendelssohn captivates me as much as Schumann's piano works from the 1830's. 

Josquin des Prez

#36
Schumann promoted Schubert as well, which to me is a more significant discovery then Brahms, whom would have made a name for himself anyhow. He also discovered Burgmüller for which i'm pretty grateful.

Somebody one day should translate and publish a collection of his reviews and general writings.

Florestan

Quote from: Josquin des Prez on November 04, 2010, 08:53:11 AM
He also discovered Burgmüller for which i'm pretty grateful.
Norbert or Johann?
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

Josquin des Prez

Quote from: Florestan on November 04, 2010, 11:48:18 AM
Norbert or Johann?

Norbert. Schumann says of him that "no death was more deplorable than that of Norbert Burgmüller since the early death of Franz Schubert".

Florestan

Quote from: Josquin des Prez on November 04, 2010, 12:05:36 PM
Norbert. Schumann says of him that "no death was more deplorable than that of Norbert Burgmüller since the early death of Franz Schubert".
Quite so. What are your favorite recordings of NB's music?
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy