Map of Metal

[MN Dave]

Nicely placed LOLOLOLOL

Yep. That's a classic that I posted everywhere at the time.

[MN Dave]

Rainbow= Hard Rock

...runs and hides...
I'm sorry, but at this point in History I have to call Black Sabbath Hard Rock. Yea, I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is. Priest is still Metal because ,...well,...because, right?,...but...

AC/DC= Hard Rock

'80s Hair Band Metal is really just Hard Rock.

Guns'n'Roses= Hard Rock



Transiberian,... now therrre's Metal



Helloween!

I agree with this.

[Josquin des Prez]

Black Sabbath is heavy metal with a blues side to it. Not a lot of actual rock in their music.

[greg]

I hate to be negative (surely there is at least one fan of them here), but listening to 2 of the Cannibal Corpse tracks, I felt like it was like some of the most boring music I've ever heard.
Still looking for pleasant surprises though, since there are soooooooooo many tracks here. 

[Lethevich]

I hate to be negative (surely there is at least one fan of them here), but listening to 2 of the Cannibal Corpse tracks, I felt like it was like some of the most boring music I've ever heard.

They are a deliberately narrow-focused band - part of their appeal is how generic and unchanging they are. I agree, though - I don't have the time for them.

[jowcol]

Black Sabbath is heavy metal with a blues side to it. Not a lot of actual rock in their music.

I'm not sure if I'd give Sabbath  much credit for a blues tinge, but that's my opinion.  (But then again, I would not consider Led Zepplin blues either.  Their arrangements (and plagarizing) of blues tunes on their first couple of albums are awfully wooden. )  From 1994 to around 2000, the band Gov't Mule did a great job of mixing blues with a harder rock sound with a lot of improv, but they've definitely lost their edge.

If you are mapping the fringes of metal (I guess I'm not all that big on "pure metal")- wish to work in some of the Stoner bands.  They explored different variants of the Black Sabbath sound. -- Kyuss in particular.  Blues for a Red Sun and Welcome to Sky Valley really stretch out the Black Sabbath approach into something pretty satisfying from an instrumental point of view,  but your mileage may vary.  I'm also a fan of Los Natas, a latin/psychedelic hard rock band whose Ciudad de Brahmin album has, in addition to the power of a hard rock band, some great melodic lines.  The first Atomic Bitchwax album is a lot of fun.

Monster Magnet had a pretty infectious parody of metal sound happening (Power Trip and Dopes to Infinity are decent places to start) , although they've been running low on gas the last few albums.

I must admit that most of the 80s metal sounds the same to me, and I don't get it.  (Problem could be with my ears and brain.)  I guess I like more instrumental exploration and improv, and I have trouble with the limited rhythmic range I've heard from that genre -- but I'm no expert.  Even Metallica wore thin on me pretty quickly.

Are you all familiar with Apocalyptica, the metal band with 4 cellos?  They are pretty fun.

[MN Dave]

I am familiar with stoner rock and like several bands from that genre. I have a friend who mentions Apocalyptica a lot but I've never purchased anything by them.

[MN Dave]

If anyone is bored and would like to help me spread my metal wings, just click the link below, see what I like (4 or 5 stars) and recommend from there... Thanks.

Basically, Judas Priest and traditional doom is my comfort zone. But I wish to expand...

[greg]

I am familiar with stoner rock and like several bands from that genre. I have a friend who mentions Apocalyptica a lot but I've never purchased anything by them.

Didn't you say you like Electric Wizard? I enjoy both them and Apocalyptica from time to time.

[MN Dave]

Didn't you say you like Electric Wizard? I enjoy both them and Apocalyptica from time to time.

Yes, I like Electric Wizard fine.

[jowcol]

Yes, I like Electric Wizard fine.

I must admit that I can't sit through a whole album of theirs at a time, but they bring the heavy.

How about Sleep's hour-long opus Dopesmoker (or Jerusalem as it was know in its original release)?   If you are into Doom, isn't that like the holy grail? 

Probably my favorite stoner/new psychedelic band is the German band Colour Haze.  They have more of an artsy side to them, but still bring on the fuzz.  And they don't play everything in 4/4.

Are you familiar with Tool?  A metal-prog kind of band-- imagine mixing King Crimson, Pink Floyd and a bunch of metal in a blender.  Add some Stravinskian time signatures and you are good to go.  Aenima is probably the best album, although Lateralius has a lot of depth, and 10,000 days is maybe a tad more approachable.   They can be very depressing....

[snyprrr]

What's that Metal thing on the Cartoon Network? The band,...Apocalyp??? That's funny stuff!



Serious question: Is TRUE Metal really Classical in disguise (and I don't mean in the Malmsteen way)? Are bass, drums, guitar, and electronics the true evolution? Apparently Steve Reich has just written a Metal type piece??? Are we not that far off from the Great Unveiling?

Obviously, Xenakis Metal would be utterly Awesome!!! Just imagine King Crimson and Rebonds colliding. I have only one piece, by Marc Monnet, for elec. bass, elec. guitar, and 'metronome' (Eros Machina), that tantalizingly offers up possibilities. I mean, Metal's always playing with time-flux.

[MN Dave]

I must admit that I can't sit through a whole album of theirs at a time, but they bring the heavy.

How about Sleep's hour-long opus Dopesmoker (or Jerusalem as it was know in its original release)?   If you are into Doom, isn't that like the holy grail? 

Probably my favorite stoner/new psychedelic band is the German band Colour Haze.  They have more of an artsy side to them, but still bring on the fuzz.  And they don't play everything in 4/4.

Are you familiar with Tool?  A metal-prog kind of band-- imagine mixing King Crimson, Pink Floyd and a bunch of metal in a blender.  Add some Stravinskian time signatures and you are good to go.  Aenima is probably the best album, although Lateralius has a lot of depth, and 10,000 days is maybe a tad more approachable.   They can be very depressing....

Well, Sabbath is the holy grail for doom.   I enjoy Grand Magus. Doom + Judas Priest = Grand Magus; the best of both worlds.

Yes, I liked Aenima the best; the others were so-so--and no, I don't listen to Tool anymore. I know people that hate them.

[MN Dave]

Serious question: Is TRUE Metal really Classical in disguise (and I don't mean in the Malmsteen way)? Are bass, drums, guitar, and electronics the true evolution? Apparently Steve Reich has just written a Metal type piece??? Are we not that far off from the Great Unveiling?

Yes, this is the direction classical should go.

[greg]

I've always thought the idea of an 8-string electric guitar concerto with an orchestra playing Xenakis-like stuff would be pretty cool- not to mention super intense.

[MN Dave]

Maybe I should listen to some Xenakis.

[MN Dave]

Speaking of metal, I can always sneak an eBook plug in amongst friends, can't I?



http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/30498

[Philoctetes]

Yes, this is the direction classical should go.

Didn't folks like Branca already go this route?

[snyprrr]

I've always thought the idea of an 8-string electric guitar concerto with an orchestra playing Xenakis-like stuff would be pretty cool- not to mention super intense.

It's amazing how long it has been to reconcile 1971. People been missing the point for decades now.

[snyprrr]

Didn't folks like Branca already go this route?

I stumbled across Branca videos on YouTube the other day. oy,... bong & Doritos . He was litterly,...er,...wanking the thing,...sub-Kramer style. And then,... the guitar orchestra stuff,...yea,... I remember thinking back in the day,... but no, Branca barely gets it. Zorn's Naked City comes kinda close, but no technique or creativity. To see him conducting,... ,... yea, we've got a way to go there.

Of course, he's got, what, a billion Symphonies?



I remember Terry Riley's,...uh,...G Blues, or something,...2cds of keyboards, bass, drums, and guitar,...just intonation,... kinda boogie/timeless bluesy,...not too bad, but,...2cds ,...eh...

Jeff Beck doin Day in the Life