Groundbreaking Works!

[The Diner]

What are they? 

[karlhenning]

Palestrina, Missa Papae Marcelli
Monteverdi, Vespro della Beata Vergine
JS Bach, Goldberg Variations
Mozart, Don Giovanni
Beethoven, Sinfonia eroica
Berlioz, Symphonie fantastique
Wagner, Tristan und Isolde
Tchaikovsky, Swan Lake
Stravinsky, Le sacre du printemps
Schoenberg, Pierrot lunaire
Varèse, Ionisation
Cage, 4'33

[The Diner]

Excellent! Thank you.

[karlhenning]

Ligeti, Atmosphères

[The Diner]

Ligeti, Atmosphères

Would you add Debussy?

[Sergeant Rock]

What are they? 

Agree with Karl's list and would add:

Monteverdi L'Ofeo
Haydn op.20 String Quartets
Schoenberg String Quartet #2 op.10
Schubert Der Erlkönig
Mahler Symphony #7

Sarge

[karlhenning]

 

Would you add Debussy?

Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune, yes!

[karlhenning]

Agree with Karl's list and would add:

Monteverdi L'Ofeo
Haydn op.20 String Quartets
Schoenberg String Quartet #2 op.10
Schubert Der Erlkönig
Mahler Symphony #7

Well added, Sarge!

[The Diner]

Agree with Karl's list and would add:

Monteverdi L'Ofeo
Haydn op.20 String Quartets
Schoenberg String Quartet #2 op.10
Schubert Der Erlkönig
Mahler Symphony #7

Sarge

Thanks, Sarge. Why Mahler 7? Just curious.

[Luke]

Take your pick of late Beethoven sonatas/quartets - op 106? 111? 133? or any of a number of others...

but later on if I get time I'd love to think about this more deeply - so many modern pieces, of course....Schoenberg op 11 (less obvious than op 10, but thunderously original)... Boulez: Structures... Cage: Sonatas and Interludes, Music of Changes....Xenakis: Metastaseis.....Stockhausen:Gruppen....that would be an easy-ish list to make up, but how about earlier, less blatantly NEW music - Chopin's Preludes, for instance, which initiate a whole new way of approaching the genre...

[jochanaan]

And I would add:
Corelli's Concerti Grossi
Bach: St. Matthew Passion
Handel: Messiah (it's so familiar now, but in 1742 who had ever heard of an opera without staging?  One that retold "The Greatest Story Ever Told"?!  Oh yes, that aspect was very controversial at the time!)
Beethoven: Symphony #5 (its use of recurring themes and motifs paved the way for the Symphonie Fantastique et al)
Liszt: Les Préludes (one of the first musical tone poems)
Mahler: Symphony #1 (mostly for the Funeral March in the Manner of Callot)
Scriabin: Prometheus (for the lights)
Ives: The Unanswered Question
Berg: Wozzeck
Varèse: Offrandes, Déserts, Poème Electronique
Penderecki: Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima

[mc ukrneal]

Agree with Karl's list and would add:

Monteverdi L'Ofeo
Haydn op.20 String Quartets
Schoenberg String Quartet #2 op.10
Schubert Der Erlkönig
Mahler Symphony #7

Sarge

I am not sure if I would pick Erlkonig, especially as I think that Loewe's version is actually better. Or perhaps it would make him unique, being a ground breaker, but then being surpassed (or at least equaled).

[Sergeant Rock]

I am not sure if I would pick Erlkonig, especially as I think that Loewe's version is actually better. Or perhaps it would make him unique, being a ground breaker, but then being surpassed (or at least equaled).

Yeah, another great setting of the poem, and it was Loewe's op.1 just like Schubert's Erlkönig was his op.1. Loewe came first but I don't think Schubert knew it, did he? How about they reign jointly as groundbreaking song writers? 

Sarge

[Sergeant Rock]

Thanks, Sarge. Why Mahler 7? Just curious.

For the influence it had on Schoenberg and company. It opened up a whole new sound world.

Sarge

[mc ukrneal]

Yeah, another great setting of the poem, and it was Loewe's op.1 just like Schubert's Erlkönig was his op.1. Loewe came first but I don't think Schubert knew it, did he? How about they reign jointly as groundbreaking song writers? 

Sarge

Other way around. Schubert came first (1815), but Loewe didn't know about that version when he wrote his (1817-18).

[karlhenning]

Take your pick of late Beethoven sonatas/quartets - op 106? 111? 133? or any of a number of others...

but later on if I get time I'd love to think about this more deeply - so many modern pieces, of course....Schoenberg op 11 (less obvious than op 10, but thunderously original)... Boulez: Structures... Cage: Sonatas and Interludes, Music of Changes....Xenakis: Metastaseis.....Stockhausen:Gruppen....that would be an easy-ish list to make up, but how about earlier, less blatantly NEW music - Chopin's Preludes, for instance, which initiate a whole new way of approaching the genre...

Yes, bring on the list, Luke!

[Brahmsian]

Beethoven, Sinfonia eroica

Berlioz, Symphonie fantastique

Wagner, Tristan und Isolde

Colossal! 

[Brahmsian]

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Meh...

[Bogey]

Beethoven Symphony No. 3

[starrynight]

Take your pick of late Beethoven sonatas/quartets - op 106? 111? 133? or any of a number of others...

but later on if I get time I'd love to think about this more deeply - so many modern pieces, of course....Schoenberg op 11 (less obvious than op 10, but thunderously original)... Boulez: Structures... Cage: Sonatas and Interludes, Music of Changes....Xenakis: Metastaseis.....Stockhausen:Gruppen....that would be an easy-ish list to make up, but how about earlier, less blatantly NEW music - Chopin's Preludes, for instance, which initiate a whole new way of approaching the genre...

Op133 was originally part of op130, so if representing that I would say op130.  But the Hammerklavier sonata came first I suppose.

For the symphony prior to Beethoven Mozart pushed the symphony to a new ambition with his last 3 (or maybe 4 for some).  I'm not sure which one people would pick.  The E flat came first I suppose, unless you count the Prague.

Beethoven's 9th may have been seen as revolutionary (?) and influenced later symphonies.  I suppose the 5th did in some ways too.