If I like Ives

[DavidRoss]

Love it!

May I quote you? 

[Grazioso]

Check it out: if you play both these YouTube clips at the same time, you get Ives's 2nd symphony

http://www.youtube.com/v/fhHb-62BfpI
http://www.youtube.com/v/noYptXPHiAE

And speaking of cartoons and Camptown Races, that of course brings us to

NSFW!

http://www.youtube.com/v/0H2W1lK7P-I

[Grazioso]

this fuckin' garbage .. , young adolescent kiddie fodder

Heavy metal: proudly upsetting uptight people since 1984 

http://www.youtube.com/v/WT1LXhgXPWs

[Grazioso]

... all of which is a lot of noise and  typically empty.

"If the reader were so rash as to purchase any of Bela Bartok's compositions, he would find that they each and all consist of unmeaning bunches of notes, apparently representing the composer promenading the keyboard in his boots. Some can be played better with the elbows, others with the flat of the hand. None require fingers to perform or ears to listen too." --Frederick Corder

[Guido]

Say, Guido, what three Adams pieces would you rank as crème de la crème? TIA

Hmm, well I think earlier is better in general, though recently there seems to be a resurgence in quality after the relative dearth of good scores from the 90s... Narrowing it down to 3 is too hard and will inevitably just be a rather personal choice - I'll go for Harmonielehre, Shaker Loops and a very personal third choice, Road Movies, a rare chamber work from this orchestral composer; but Harmonium, Phrygian Gates, The Dharma at Big Sur, The Chairmen Dances, and many of the operas would be equally fine!

[Grazioso]

another meaningless googled turd ...  coming from a slayer & twisted sister fan  ..

If Google isn't acceptable, where do you get your turds? 

You missed the point: music styles come and go, but willful ignorance remains constant. Calling music "empty" or "noisy" is the lazy route taken by "critics" who either lack musical ability and genuinely can't tell the difference, or who actively refuse to take the time to study and understand.

[Grazioso]

Back to our regularly scheduled programming:

To answer the OP, Gloria Coates's 14th symphony might fit the bill: old New England hymn tunes laid over a bed of microtonal dissonance, with some polyrythms thrown in for good measure.

http://www.youtube.com/v/wQH17p-zGv8

[Grazioso]

Hot air. You can't tell the difference between Ives, Bartók etc and the utter low level kiddie poop you have been posting, that's clear.

Ives was a real stern individual you know .. suggesting that trash won't cut it Grazioso.

Now, now. You're in such a hurry to be angry and right that you're jumping to all kinds of silly conclusions. You assume that I in some way conflate Ives, Bartok, and heavy metal. Further, you assume I actually like Slayer et al.

You also rush in to call a respected composer's work "trash" and imply she's not individualistic. That's not very charitable. A little background info: http://www.sai-national.org/home/ComposersBureau/CoatesGloria/tabid/287/Default.aspx

[karlhenning]

C'mon, everybody! You know he must be putting us on!

... you obviously have a VERY narrow understanding of what the phrase can mean.

[ibanezmonster]

I've heard lots of classical music that is loud, fast, atonal, and/or marked by machine-like ostinati, including many of the pieces/composers you reference. I still believe that classical music on the whole is essentially rarefied and restrained, more a music of the heart and head than emanating from or arousing our "base" (think lower Chakras in Eastern philosophy) emotions. I've still yet to hear any classical music that evokes or elicits, for instance, the same exact sort of martial, frenetic aggression you can hear in, say, Slayer, to use one of your examples.

http://www.youtube.com/v/G0AGUywHntw

http://www.youtube.com/v/oQ8kcRi4upA
Done.

[ibanezmonster]

Though if I want that type of stuff, there is nothing quite like the sound of the 8 string electric guitar:
http://www.youtube.com/v/6J4Ye7nRT0s
Ahhh...
music.... 

[Grazioso]

http://www.youtube.com/v/oQ8kcRi4upA
Done.

Interesting. I've heard some Xenakis before, but not that piece. It doesn't really speak to the sort of thing I was trying to describe, but it does remind me of the Psycho soundtrack at the beginning, more indirectly of Peter Brötzmann's infamous free jazz aural assault Machine Gun:

http://www.youtube.com/v/HWiO5SFoh8g

Crank it up and the neighbors will think Satan and his minions are partying by your pool 

[Guido]

I think to really be helpful on this thread we need to know what it is you like about Ives. The experimentation? The Modernism? The polystylism? The quotation? The nostalgia and beauty? The gawky humour?

If all of the above, then fairly predictably one would have to say that no one is quite like Ives. But if you want to focus on one or two aspects that you like, then recommendations would be much easier to make.

[Grazioso]

Though if I want that type of stuff, there is nothing quite like the sound of the 8 string electric guitar:
http://www.youtube.com/v/6J4Ye7nRT0s
Ahhh...
music.... 

The technical death metal equivalent of Rimsky-Korsakov's forays into Eastern exoticism:

http://www.youtube.com/v/WKqTn2A9ZH4

I'm always left exhausted after listening to that one...

I think to really be helpful on this thread we need to know what it is you like about Ives. The experimentation? The Modernism? The polystylism? The quotation? The nostalgia and beauty? The gawky humour?

If all of the above, then fairly predictably one would have to say that no one is quite like Ives. But if you want to focus on one or two aspects that you like, then recommendations would be much easier to make.

Some of those elements make me think of Schnittke, actually.

[Grazioso]

Physically ill from sampling all of this total garbage ... and why is it being posted even?

and Grazioso, further reading your comments illustrate to me just how clueless you are. trivial young adolescent logic ..

[ibanezmonster]

Interesting. I've heard some Xenakis before, but not that piece. It doesn't really speak to the sort of thing I was trying to describe, but it does remind me of the Psycho soundtrack at the beginning, more indirectly of Peter Brötzmann's infamous free jazz aural assault Machine Gun:

http://www.youtube.com/v/HWiO5SFoh8g

Crank it up and the neighbors will think Satan and his minions are partying by your pool 

Well, what I had in mind were the moments in the Xenakis piece where the timpani is pounding and all the instruments are rhythmically pulling each other apart hehe  .

As for that Machine Gun track... I've never heard completely avant-garde jazz like that- interesting! 

The technical death metal equivalent of Rimsky-Korsakov's forays into Eastern exoticism:

http://www.youtube.com/v/WKqTn2A9ZH4

I'm always left exhausted after listening to that one...

Some of those elements make me think of Schnittke, actually.

Cool... I've heard of Nile before but never got around to listening to anything by them. Thanks for posting.

Physically ill from sampling all of this total garbage ... and why is it being posted even?

James, no one takes you seriously, so we really don't care what you think.

[some guy]

As for that Machine Gun track... I've never heard completely avant-garde jazz like that- interesting! 

Try to hear Brötzmann live if you can. I heard him live for the first time in 2009 (In Fresne-en-Woevre). There are some bits of my skull still embedded in the back wall of the room there.*

*hyperbole

[Grazioso]

As for that Machine Gun track... I've never heard completely avant-garde jazz like that- interesting! 

It's a tad intense. We surrender!



If you dig that, you may want to check out one of his American influences, Albert Ayler:

[mahler10th]

Well, in response to the post "If I like Ives" my response is this:  If I like Ives, a miracle must have happened.

[DavidRoss]

Well, in response to the post "If I like Ives" my response is this:  If I like Ives, a miracle must have happened.

Hmmm...have you heard Three Places in New England?  Or Central Park after Dark?