What are you ripping?

[DavidW]

To find stuff, I do a search. Say I want some Beethoven sonatas, I'll search on it and pick through what comes up. If I sense something missing, yeah, I might have to fix a few tags.

That's also why I'm not an obsessive tagger!   Heck I don't even care how my folders are organized because I just search on winamp or itunes.

[Gurn Blanston]

That's also why I'm not an obsessive tagger!   Heck I don't even care how my folders are organized because I just search on winamp or itunes.

  *hurls*      You're just doing that to be mean, I know.  "Heck I don't even care how my folders are organized ..."  I would have to rip my freakin' tongue out before I could get those words together in that order in a spoken sentence...   



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[DavidW]

Yeah I had the rips from my big project organized by composer, but for my new rips I just let dbpoweramp do it by artist.  I had a laugh at thinking how you would react to that!

[Gurn Blanston]

Yeah I had the rips from my big project organized by composer, but for my new rips I just let dbpoweramp do it by artist.  I had a laugh at thinking how you would react to that!

*sigh*



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[Mn Dave]

Gulda's LvB sonatas

[Mn Dave]

RIIIP
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Excuse me.

[karlhenning]

Yeah I had the rips from my big project organized by composer, but for my new rips I just let dbpoweramp do it by artist.  I had a laugh at thinking how you would react to that!

The Sorrows of Gurn

[drogulus]

  *hurls*      You're just doing that to be mean, I know.  "Heck I don't even care how my folders are organized ..."  I would have to rip my freakin' tongue out before I could get those words together in that order in a spoken sentence...   



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      I would appoint a special prosecutor.

      On one drive I have my archive in a folder named All Music. The "All" is just so it appears at the top right of the window for convenience. On another drive I have a folder called All Music (iTunes), which has my iTunes Library in it. If I rip and tag a CD I might just let it go into a new folder somewhere, but I'll immediately retag it (if needed) and move it into the archive. From there I'll make an iTunes copy which will appear in the composer or artist folder in the iTunes folder. If I screw up somehow I can reconstitute the iTunes folder from the archive. And that isn't such a big deal since I know where everything is.

[Mirror Image]

I've ripped several thousand disks, some of them a few times each, and have typed all the tags myself. IOW, I share your disorder. If the stupid shits who upload tags to services knew what the hell they were doing, we wouldn't be in this position.

Exactly! I actually sent an email to the head of Gracenote and gave him example after example of how his employees continuously enter the wrong information in time and time again and his response to me was something along the lines of "I don't care." What a bunch of assholes. They're providing us the service and I know the people who enter in the information get paid, so why can't they enter in the right information?

[Gurn Blanston]

Exactly! I actually sent an email to the head of Gracenote and gave him example after example of how his employees continuously enter the wrong information in time and time again and his response to me was something along the lines of "I don't care." What a bunch of assholes. They're providing us the service and I know the people who enter in the information get paid, so why can't they enter in the right information?

You pose an interesting situation for me. I have always been under the impression that tags were submitted by people like you and I (except not as intelligent), not by employees of the service. If it is employees of the service, then there is no excuse. If it is private individuals, then I guess there is nothing for it. You can't just go around and give them each the smacking bitchslap they so justly deserve.



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[Scarpia]

I think freedb is the absolute worst, I pity those that have to rely on 'em.  Highly incomplete, or flat out wrong.  Easily gets confused about the different fields (like putting the album name under artist), you feel embarrassed for those that uploaded such information.  They're clearly morons.

I use freedb, I usually tidy it up a bit, but I have given up the idea of relying on those tags and some program that reads them.  I got an inexpensive, quick flatbed scanner and scan the booklet for every disc I rip.  No choice here, I love having the trivia at my fingertips when deciding to listen to a recording (i.e., record producer, recording date and location, cover art identification, the little essays in the CD booklet, sung text, etc).  The scanning is the quickest part of it.  Instead of tags I have an independent database which allows me to find whatever recording I might be looking for.  I can't imaging relying on iTunes or anything similar to keep track of my music.

[Scarpia]

You pose an interesting situation for me. I have always been under the impression that tags were submitted by people like you and I (except not as intelligent), not by employees of the service. If it is employees of the service, then there is no excuse. If it is private individuals, then I guess there is nothing for it. You can't just go around and give them each the smacking bitchslap they so justly deserve.

Gracenote allows the record labels to enter the data directly, but I think it is more typical for the Gracenote to have it's own staff enter information based on documentation supplied by the label.  I suspect the issue is that 99% of their business is for pop music.  Does the "tag" format even permit classical music to be tagged properly?

[Mirror Image]

You pose an interesting situation for me. I have always been under the impression that tags were submitted by people like you and I (except not as intelligent), not by employees of the service. If it is employees of the service, then there is no excuse. If it is private individuals, then I guess there is nothing for it. You can't just go around and give them each the smacking bitchslap they so justly deserve.

They have employees and I think the company is located in California. They do use submissions from people, but I'm not sure how many contribute. I know there was an annoying pop-up on iTunes after I got through correcting a recording's information that asked if I wanted to send the corrected information to Gracenote and I opted out of that and checked to never show me that message again. I'm not going to do their job for them.

[Gurn Blanston]

Gracenote allows the record labels to enter the data directly, but I think it is more typical for the Gracenote to have it's own staff enter information based on documentation supplied by the label.  I suspect the issue is that 99% of their business is for pop music.  Does the "tag" format even permit classical music to be tagged properly?

I'm not sure about that, Scarps. My only Gracenote client is WinAMP and I haven't ripped in that in a few years. IIRC, it did provide the necessary info, it was just in bad places; i.e. - the composer's name in the artist field along with the first part of the 'song' title, the artists' names in the album title field, etc. I'm sure someone, somewhere, thinks that this is such a cool freakin' idea, but it just pisses me off.   Anyway, I can type from scratch faster than I can correct their mistakes, so I just do it.





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[Mirror Image]

When I rip a recording to one of my iPods I file everything under albums. Allow me to provide some examples of how I organize things with my iPods:

If it's a box set I will organize it like this:

Vaughan Williams: The Complete Symphonies - Thomson [Disc 01]
-------------------  ----------------------------  - --------   [Disc 02] and so on

If I have multiple recording so the same piece it is filed this way:

Bartok: Concerto For Orchestra - Reiner
-------  -------------------------- - Boulez

If I have several box sets of the same set of symphonies:

Mahler: The Complete Symphonies - Tennstedt [Disc 01]

Next set

Mahler: The Complete Symphonies - Chailly [Disc 01] and so on

If I have a box set where the title is something like "Salonen Conducts Nielsen," I will do this:

Nielsen: Salonen [Disc 01] and so on...

So everything is under albums and the album title has the composer's name, the name of the recording or piece(s), and the conductor's name to avoid and overlapping.

[DavidW]

I use freedb, I usually tidy it up a bit, but I have given up the idea of relying on those tags and some program that reads them.  I got an inexpensive, quick flatbed scanner and scan the booklet for every disc I rip.  No choice here, I love having the trivia at my fingertips when deciding to listen to a recording (i.e., record producer, recording date and location, cover art identification, the little essays in the CD booklet, sung text, etc).  The scanning is the quickest part of it.  Instead of tags I have an independent database which allows me to find whatever recording I might be looking for.  I can't imaging relying on iTunes or anything similar to keep track of my music.

Cleaning up the tags before ripping is the best way to go.  Out of all of the tagging services I like amg the best because they put the composer name in the composer tag, and even separate artist from album artist, comes in handy when one performer unifies the album but say different orchestras involved in the different works.  Also the amg album art is more likely to be right, though gd3 usually has higher rez album art.

[drogulus]

When I rip a recording to one of my iPods I file everything under albums. Allow me to provide some examples of how I organize things with my iPods:

If it's a box set I will organize it like this:

Vaughan Williams: The Complete Symphonies - Thomson [Disc 01]
-------------------  ----------------------------  - --------   [Disc 02] and so on

If I have multiple recording so the same piece it is filed this way:

Bartok: Concerto For Orchestra - Reiner
-------  -------------------------- - Boulez

If I have several box sets of the same set of symphonies:

Mahler: The Complete Symphonies - Tennstedt [Disc 01]

Next set

Mahler: The Complete Symphonies - Chailly [Disc 01] and so on

If I have a box set where the title is something like "Salonen Conducts Nielsen," I will do this:

Nielsen: Salonen [Disc 01] and so on...

So everything is under albums and the album title has the composer's name, the name of the recording or piece(s), and the conductor's name to avoid and overlapping.

     For classical music I use composer/album folders, so I'll have Mahler/Complete Symphonies - Kubelik/Symphony No. 1/four movements as individual files. In order to make all of my music conform to this method I have to do a great deal of retagging, which in many cases involves taking good info from where it doesn't belong (like when the track name has all the info in it) to where it's useful.

[Mn Dave]

You guys are making me want to re-tag.

Bastards.     

[DavidW]

You guys are making me want to re-tag.

Bastards.     

Enabling OCD retagging addiction: http://www.mp3tag.de/en/

[Mn Dave]

What does that link do that I can't do on iTunes?

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