What are you ripping?

DavidW · June 09, 2011, 12:36:03 PM

I pity the person that niavely (or even accidentally) let itunes manage their library for them.

Mn Dave · June 09, 2011, 12:37:24 PM

drogulus · June 09, 2011, 01:37:07 PM

I don't use iTunes as a player, just to load the Pod. I have my preference set for Winamp.

Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 09, 2011, 12:07:54 PM
It's also by far the most overtly evil in terms of purporting to be the user's best friend but in fact doing its best to make the files difficult to use by any other program once it gets its claws into them. I just can't see the appeal

Do you mean because of the way iTunes reorganizes the files? I no longer let it do that. As far as using them in another program, I just right click on one and reset the preference for that type to another program. Once you do this iTunes doesn't bother you any more. My music files open in Winamp and video files open in Media Player Classic.

Lethevich · June 09, 2011, 01:48:31 PM

Quote from: drogulus on June 09, 2011, 01:37:07 PM
Do you mean because of the way iTunes reorganizes the files? I no longer let it do that.

It could be that. From my experience with helping friends sort their collections, iTunes seems to do things like deliberately garble metadata to only be readable by itself.

Gurn Blanston · June 09, 2011, 02:51:03 PM

Quote from: Mn Dave on June 09, 2011, 12:37:24 PM

No really, Dave. I know you view this as Mac-bashing, but sometimes criticisms are justified. I actually had iTunes for Windows and it was criminally bad. OK, well it's a different platform. But last summer I went to visit my brother who has the latest and greatest Mac and his iTunes was scarcely better. In fact, he copied all the programs off my portable hard drive and runs his music in Windows for Mac now (whatever that's called). You know I wouldn't kid you about something as important as this.

Mn Dave · June 09, 2011, 03:13:37 PM

Understood, Gurn. I'm sure it's better for what you guys require. I have no issues with iTunes.

Gurn Blanston · June 09, 2011, 03:43:17 PM

Quote from: Mn Dave on June 09, 2011, 03:13:37 PM
Understood, Gurn. I'm sure it's better for what you guys require. I have no issues with iTunes.

And that's what counts.

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haydnguy · June 09, 2011, 03:50:09 PM

Quote from: drogulus on June 09, 2011, 01:37:07 PM
I don't use iTunes as a player, just to load the Pod. I have my preference set for Winamp.

Do you mean because of the way iTunes reorganizes the files? I no longer let it do that. As far as using them in another program, I just right click on one and reset the preference for that type to another program. Once you do this iTunes doesn't bother you any more. My music files open in Winamp and video files open in Media Player Classic.

Ok, I have my "flame retardent suit" on. What does Winamp do that the regular Windows Media Player doesn't do?

DavidW · June 09, 2011, 04:00:14 PM

Quote from: drogulus on June 09, 2011, 01:37:07 PM
I don't use iTunes as a player, just to load the Pod. I have my preference set for Winamp.

Same here! Itunes for the pod, winamp for everything else.

DavidW · June 09, 2011, 04:04:11 PM

Quote from: haydnguy on June 09, 2011, 03:50:09 PM
Ok, I have my "flame retardent suit" on. What does Winamp do that the regular Windows Media Player doesn't do?

Well Windows media player is not as customizable and it doesn't natively support flac.

DavidW · June 09, 2011, 04:09:29 PM

Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 09, 2011, 02:51:03 PM
No really, Dave. I know you view this as Mac-bashing, but sometimes criticisms are justified. I actually had iTunes for Windows and it was criminally bad. OK, well it's a different platform. But last summer I went to visit my brother who has the latest and greatest Mac and his iTunes was scarcely better. In fact, he copied all the programs off my portable hard drive and runs his music in Windows for Mac now (whatever that's called). You know I wouldn't kid you about something as important as this.

Yeah I had a student that bought a Mac and was going on about how superior Mac was... and I swear within a month he installed windows and started dual booting!

Scarpia · June 09, 2011, 04:15:32 PM

Quote from: DavidW on June 09, 2011, 04:04:11 PM
Well Windows media player is not as customizable and it doesn't natively support flac.

The last time I ran Winamp it crashed my computer. (I didn't crash itself mind you, but I started getting warnings from Windows the main memory had been corrupted and the computer had to shut down.) That was the last time I tried it.

DavidW · June 09, 2011, 04:19:44 PM

Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 09, 2011, 04:15:32 PM
The last time I ran Winamp it crashed my computer. (I didn't crash itself mind you, but I started getting warnings from Windows the main memory had been corrupted and the computer had to shut down.) That was the last time I tried it.

Wow that's terrible! Well you have foobar so you're good to go. It's even more customizable.

Lethevich · June 09, 2011, 04:28:47 PM

The main initial appeal of Foobar over Winamp for me was that it used 50% fewer system resources to run - helpful, as I only really use it to play music.

I've never really seen the point of the library feature on media players. It doesn't help me navigate to my music any faster or more easily than Windows Explorer can, and it seems to add a degree of psychological removal from the files themselves which has led to some people using iTunes not even knowing where their music is stored (hence all the stories of accidental deletions of whole collections, etc - they can mistake shortcuts for the actual things). I imagine that this will become even more confusing when remote storage gains wider popularity.

drogulus · June 11, 2011, 08:21:32 AM

Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 09, 2011, 01:48:31 PM
It could be that. From my experience with helping friends sort their collections, iTunes seems to do things like deliberately garble metadata to only be readable by itself.

My experience is with using different programs for each stage of the process, from ripping to tagging to transcoding to retagging to Pod management. The weakness of this way of doing things is that I sometimes do things slightly differently, and the tags get messed up. I should run a test to determine the cause, but I won't. Instead I correct the tags in iTunes, which is very good once you figure out how to control it.

The strength of using different programs is that I can run one task in the program best suited for it while I run another program doing what it does best. While I have all 4 cores transcoding from lossless to Nero .m4a at q.75 in dBPowerAmp, I'm fixing album art and tags in Easy CD-DA Extractor (a fine program which only lacks multi-core awareness, not needed for art/tags).

DavidW · June 11, 2011, 08:26:43 AM

Why did you choose Nero m4a over lame mp3? Battery life? Slightly better compression?

drogulus · June 11, 2011, 10:49:55 AM

Quote from: DavidW on June 11, 2011, 08:26:43 AM
Why did you choose Nero m4a over lame mp3? Battery life? Slightly better compression?

If you must know, I chose it because.........why are you always picking on me??

DavidW · June 11, 2011, 04:13:03 PM

Quote from: drogulus on June 11, 2011, 10:49:55 AM
If you must know, I chose it because.........why are you always picking on me??

jeje

I'm ripping the Beatles mono set, and then I will be ripping Wagner's Ring.

I'm running out of space on my hard drive.

Daverz · June 11, 2011, 04:31:21 PM

Quote from: DavidW on June 11, 2011, 04:13:03 PM
I'm running out of space on my hard drive.

This is why I started using LVM (Logical Volume Management). If I run out of space, I just stick in another drive and add it to the existing "Logical Volume" without having to change anything else. It all looks like one big partition to the OS.