UK Riots?

[mahler10th]

No.  The UK does not Riot.  At the moment, it is parts of England which are rioting.  So far, Scotland , Wales and Northern Ireland (who have riots related to long term issues and splits) are not rioting.  BBC News 24 has "UK Riots" in their banner headline - they are not UK riots.  They are ENGLISH riots thus far, and it is ignorance and a desire to have it seen not as an English problem that the BBC are pasting Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland with the same brush.
Well, I don't know if it will happen in the UK 'provinces', I sure hope not, but at this moment in time the BBC are broadcasting to the World that this is a UK thing, WHICH AT THIS TIME IT IS NOT.   

[karlhenning]

Glad that the Welsh, Irish and Scots are keeping their cool.

[mahler10th]

Glad that the Welsh, Irish and Scots are keeping their cool.

Karl.  I am talking about Nations, not people of nationalities. 

[karlhenning]

Aye, just so.

[Lethevich]

kk

[Brian]

If you don't mind, I'm gonna hijack this thread because my neighborhood is affected. My corner grocery had its doors smashed and got looted, and the road that I walk down to get to Brick Lane and the bagel shop was host to a group of 40 guys throwing rocks at a police line. I'm totally fine, holed up on my quiet university campus with a fridge of food and beer, but at this point it's very much a fingers-crossed hope that I'll be able to get to the two Proms I have tickets for later this week. There may even be a curfew preventing it.

[Brahmsian]

See, and I thought only England, Scotland and Wales were part of the United Kingdom.  Or maybe I'm thinking Great Britain???   

I need to brush up on my history of the United Kingdom.  A new thread may be in order.  I am after all, technically, a member of the Commonwealth.

[karlhenning]

If you don't mind, I'm gonna hijack this thread because my neighborhood is affected. My corner grocery had its doors smashed and got looted, and the road that I walk down to get to Brick Lane and the bagel shop was host to a group of 40 guys throwing rocks at a police line. I'm totally fine, holed up on my quiet university campus with a fridge of food and beer, but at this point it's very much a fingers-crossed hope that I'll be able to get to the two Proms I have tickets for later this week. There may even be a curfew preventing it.

Be safe there, laddie!

[karlhenning]

See, and I thought only England, Scotland and Wales were part of the United Kingdom.  Or maybe I'm thinking Great Britain???   

The United Kingdom doth include Northern Ireland. And thereby hangs a tale . . . .

Great Britain is the island comprising England, Scotland & Wales.

[Brahmsian]

The United Kingdom doth include Northern Ireland. And thereby hangs a tale . . . .

Great Britain is the island comprising England, Scotland & Wales.

Thanks, Karl!!

Geography lesson, part II - Is Central America considered part of North or South America? 

[Brian]

Geography lesson, part II - Is Central America considered part of North or South America? 

North. South America begins at the southern end of Panama.

[mahler10th]

If you don't mind, I'm gonna hijack this thread because my neighborhood is affected. My corner grocery had its doors smashed and got looted, and the road that I walk down to get to Brick Lane and the bagel shop was host to a group of 40 guys throwing rocks at a police line. I'm totally fine, holed up on my quiet university campus with a fridge of food and beer, but at this point it's very much a fingers-crossed hope that I'll be able to get to the two Proms I have tickets for later this week. There may even be a curfew preventing it.

I hope you make it Brian.  It would be a bloody travesty if you didn't.

[mc ukrneal]

No.  The UK does not Riot.  At the moment, it is parts of England which are rioting.  So far, Scotland , Wales and Northern Ireland (who have riots related to long term issues and splits) are not rioting.  BBC News 24 has "UK Riots" in their banner headline - they are not UK riots.  They are ENGLISH riots thus far, and it is ignorance and a desire to have it seen not as an English problem that the BBC are pasting Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland with the same brush.
Well, I don't know if it will happen in the UK 'provinces', I sure hope not, but at this moment in time the BBC are broadcasting to the World that this is a UK thing, WHICH AT THIS TIME IT IS NOT.   

I hate to break it to you...perhaps you should stop reading now...but many people in the US think UK and England are the same thing. 

Brian - stay safe.

[Lethevich]

I hate to break it to you...perhaps you should stop reading now...but many people in the US think UK and England are the same thing. 

It may as well be.

[Brian]

I hope you make it Brian.  It would be a bloody travesty if you didn't.

tomorrow
Liszt | Mazeppa
Gliere | Concerto for Coloratura Soprano
Rachmaninov | Symphony No 2
Ailish Tynan, soprano
Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra
Kirill Karabits

Thursday
Bridge | Rebus overture
Brahms | Violin Concerto - arranged for piano by Dejan Lazic
Holst | Invocation
Elgar | Enigma
Dejan Lazic, piano; Julian Lloyd-Webber, cello
BBC Philharmonic
Vassily Sinaisky

[mahler10th]

mc ukrneal:   I hate to break it to you...perhaps you should stop reading now...but many people in the US think UK and England are the same thing.

I know.  It is very sad.

Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich   It may as well be.

A very sad statement too, although I do not understand it.  I do take great umbrage at being labelled English because I'm in the alleged UK though.  At the moment, they are still riots IN ENGLAND.  If they happen up here, I will attack Scotland for being weak in following the antics of another NATION.

Now...where did I put those bagpipes?....

[Brahmsian]

I know.  It is very sad.

A very sad statement too, although I do not understand it.  I do take great umbrage at being labelled English because I'm in the alleged UK though.  At the moment, they are still riots IN ENGLAND.  If they happen up here, I will attack Scotland for being weak in following the antics of another NATION.

Now...where did I put those bagpipes?....

Don't get all Pettersson on us, John!    Careful with that axe!

[Todd]

but many people in the US think UK and England are the same thing. 

But here is the pertinent question from an American perspective: Who cares?  UK, Britain, Great Britain, England, they all mean the same thing in practical terms, just as some people the world over use America as shorthand for the United States of America all the time. 

Now to the riot, it's my understanding that the police shot and killed someone and then initial riots broke out.  The extent of the riots indicates that something much more serious is at play.  Is it bottled up anger amongst poorer people and/or minorities, or what is it?  I confess, I don't follow the internal politics and economics of, um, Britain (?), so perhaps someone can shed some light.

[Brian]

Now to the riot, it's my understanding that the police shot and killed someone and then initial riots broke out.  The extent of the riots indicates that something much more serious is at play.  Is it bottled up anger amongst poorer people and/or minorities, or what is it?  I confess, I don't follow the internal politics and economics of, um, Britain (?), so perhaps someone can shed some light.

Right now the leading explanation among thinking types is that a generation - basically, my generation - of people aged 16-25 have been frozen out of work by the terrible economy here and live on the dole in their parents' homes and frustrated.

For most people who live in rioting areas, though, the main explanation is "people saw that another neighborhood got away with smashing police cars and stealing shit, so they decided to steal shit too."

[Todd]

For most people who live in rioting areas, though, the main explanation is "people saw that another neighborhood got away with smashing police cars and stealing shit, so they decided to steal shit too."

Sounds like angry hooliganism fueled by recession.  Too simple?