What do you get from a £10,000 music speaker?

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mahler10th

LJ Rich examines a £10,000 ($16,000) speaker and finds out why it is impossible to recreate the sound of an orchestra in your living room.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/9562304.stm

Todd

Quote from: John of Glasgow on August 17, 2011, 06:46:00 AMwhy it is impossible to recreate the sound of an orchestra in your living room.


What, is this an article for those who need the obvious explained to them?  What one does often, though not always, get from a (often but not always) big, expensive speaker is more and better bass, more high frequency detail, a larger "soundstage," etc, but no speaker can possibly recreate the sound of an orchestra.  Or string quartet.  Or piano.  Or guitar.  Or human voice.  Etc.
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mahler10th

Quote from: Todd on August 17, 2011, 06:59:27 AM

What, is this an article for those who need the obvious explained to them?  What one does often, though not always, get from a (often but not always) big, expensive speaker is more and better bass, more high frequency detail, a larger "soundstage," etc, but no speaker can possibly recreate the sound of an orchestra.  Or string quartet.  Or piano.  Or guitar.  Or human voice.  Etc.

Yes, well, it's copied and pasted from the BBC.  I didn't write it myself.   0:)

DavidW

The headline is misleading, it's not really about the limitations of speakers... it's about how the music is recorded, and then how much work goes into designing high end speakers and why.  If anything despite the acoustic limitations of listening in your living room, I think the vid does a decent job of explaining why the speakers might be worth the money.

Todd

Quote from: DavidW on August 17, 2011, 07:43:20 AMI think the vid does a decent job of explaining why the speakers might be worth the money.



It's certainly a nice, free ad for KEF.
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snyprrr

Quote from: John of Glasgow on August 17, 2011, 06:46:00 AM
LJ Rich examines a £10,000 ($16,000) speaker and finds out why it is impossible to recreate the sound of an orchestra in your living room.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/9562304.stm

What do you get? How bout a reach around? ???

Daverz

$16K isn't that much for a high-end speaker these days.  After all, I didn't pay much more than that for my Hyundai, and I spend a lot more time in front of my speakers (not KEFs!) than I do in my car.

No, you can't reproduce the sound of an orchestra in your living room, but you can create a pretty convincing simulacrum.

snyprrr

But what if the technology gets to the point where you have a speaker for every perceived instrument? Wouldn't that be the recreation effect right there?

Grazioso

QuoteWhat do you get from a £10,000 music speaker?

Hopefully it comes with a divorce attorney because you'll need one if you try to spend that much on a speaker :o
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snyprrr

Quote from: snyprrr on August 17, 2011, 11:20:34 AM
But what if the technology gets to the point where you have a speaker for every perceived instrument? Wouldn't that be the recreation effect right there?

No? That won't recreate the orchestra?

DavidW

Quote from: snyprrr on August 18, 2011, 07:04:08 AM
No? That won't recreate the orchestra?

You still don't have the concert hall acoustic in your living room. :)

snyprrr

Quote from: DavidW on August 18, 2011, 09:25:14 AM
You still don't have the concert hall acoustic in your living room. :)

ok, well then you can surely recreate intimate Chamber Music,... I mean, I'm sure sooomeone has a swanky enough place to make this true,... I mean, we're only talkin' $$$ here, not the impossibility of recreating an orchestra,... right? What about those new commercials with all the different stereotypes of Super Rich (the Russian guy with the bonsai pet giraffe)?

It can be done, I say. 8)

Grazioso

Quote from: snyprrr on August 18, 2011, 10:47:24 AM
ok, well then you can surely recreate intimate Chamber Music,... I mean, I'm sure sooomeone has a swanky enough place to make this true,... I mean, we're only talkin' $$$ here, not the impossibility of recreating an orchestra,... right? What about those new commercials with all the different stereotypes of Super Rich (the Russian guy with the bonsai pet giraffe)?

It can be done, I say. 8)

http://www.youtube.com/v/rkB9OT2XVvA

"Opulence, I has it."  ;D
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Todd

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mahler10th

I have decided to settle the matter by buying, and moving in to the Royal Concert Hall, Glasgow, with my bed, a telly, and a stock of food (and some beer), so that when the Classical season starts at the end of next month I don't have to fork out $16,000 to fail at hearing the music 'properly.'

petrarch

Quote from: Daverz on August 17, 2011, 10:07:42 AM
After all, I didn't pay much more than that for my Hyundai, and I spend a lot more time in front of my speakers (not KEFs!) than I do in my car.

And, especially with tall speakers, you can get a more involving, rewarding and moving experience than with 'normal' speakers. Sometimes I find myself in utter bliss, and that is worth more that a car or three.
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Dancing Divertimentian

Quote from: Daverz on August 17, 2011, 10:07:42 AM
No, you can't reproduce the sound of an orchestra in your living room, but you can create a pretty convincing simulacrum.

I've heard myself a system so good that it reproduced the sound of piano almost to a T. I still haven't shaken off the experience of that moment....

.....and how I would love to have that system...


Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

eyeresist


Q. What do you get from a £10,000 music speaker?

A. MONO!

snyprrr

Quote from: petrarch on August 18, 2011, 03:18:56 PM
And, especially with tall speakers, you can get a more involving, rewarding and moving experience than with 'normal' speakers. Sometimes I find myself in utter bliss, and that is worth more that a car or three.

I finally looked at your system photo. That's impressive.