Tradition betrayed

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Cato

Quote from: jowcol on November 04, 2011, 02:36:24 AM
Zen Parable- -And I am the 4th Pupil


Learning to Be Silent

The pupils of the Tendai school used to study meditation before Zen entered Japan. Four of them who were intimate friends promised one another to observe seven days of silence.

On the first day all were silent. Their meditation had begun auspiciously, but when night came and the oil lamps were growing dim one of the pupils could not help exclaiming to a servant: "Fix those lamps."

The second pupils was surprised to hear the first one talk. "We are not supposed to say a word," he remarked.

"You two are stupid. Why did you talk?" asked the third.

"I am the only one who has not talked," concluded the fourth pupil.


"I want the color that is in the bag."
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

Brahmsian

Quote from: karlhenning on November 04, 2011, 03:24:32 AM
Vegetarian Thanksgivings are certainly a betrayal of tradition.

Vegan Thanksgivings are an even greater betrayal.

Karl Henning

Too true : )

(Is this seitan in my stuffing?! . . .)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Cato

Quote from: karlhenning on November 04, 2011, 04:32:39 AM
Too true : )

(Is this seitan in my stuffing?! . . .)

Worse, is that stuffing in your Tofurky?   :o
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

bwv 1080


Josquin des Prez



Porchetta is where its at. 

Josquin des Prez

Quote from: chasmaniac on November 03, 2011, 06:21:09 AM
You need a girlfriend.

I broke up with a girl just a few weeks ago. It was a rather miserable affair. You need to be pretty shallow to think women are the answer to every existential question.

Karl Henning

Quote from: Josquin des Prez on November 04, 2011, 07:49:16 AM
I broke up with a girl just a few weeks ago. It was a rather miserable affair. You need to be pretty shallow to think women are the answer to every existential question.

You need to be pretty shallow to think that this is a question of thinking women are the answer to every existential question.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Josquin des Prez

Well, if i pose an existential problem, and if the answer to said problem is "get a girlfriend"...

Need i say more?

chasmaniac

Quote from: karlhenning on November 04, 2011, 08:18:32 AM
You need to be pretty shallow to think that this is a question of thinking women are the answer to every existential question.

Indeed. I was thinking, rather, that a romantic relationship might dilute JDP's evident terror of The Other. Worked for me upon a time. Eh bien!
If I have exhausted the justifications, I have reached bedrock and my spade is turned. Then I am inclined to say: "This is simply what I do."  --Wittgenstein, PI §217

Cato

Quote from: Josquin des Prez on November 04, 2011, 08:36:26 AM
Well, if i pose an existential problem, and if the answer to said problem is "get a girlfriend"...



"I want the color... that is in the bag."   0:)
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

chasmaniac

Quote from: Josquin des Prez on November 04, 2011, 08:36:26 AM
Well, if i pose an existential problem, and if the answer to said problem is "get a girlfriend"...

Need i say more?

You needn't say anything at all. If existential problems were tractable, if they could be solved the way riddles are solved, they wouldn't be existential. They can be grasped and answered, though, in action, by undertaking a certain way of life. (Shades of Wittgenstein here.) Friends and lovers fit into this version of things quite nicely, I think. And if they don't work for you, pick up an instrument or a pallette or a chisel or a pen or a shovel or a telephone and at the very least make yourself useful. Balanced against such created value, existential problems are quite liveable. "In the beginning was the deed."
If I have exhausted the justifications, I have reached bedrock and my spade is turned. Then I am inclined to say: "This is simply what I do."  --Wittgenstein, PI §217

Florestan

Quote from: chasmaniac on November 04, 2011, 09:03:15 AM
You needn't say anything at all. If existential problems were tractable, if they could be solved the way riddles are solved, they wouldn't be existential. They can be grasped and answered, though, in action, by undertaking a certain way of life. (Shades of Wittgenstein here.) Friends and lovers fit into this version of things quite nicely, I think. And if they don't work for you, pick up an instrument or a pallette or a chisel or a pen or a shovel or a telephone and at the very least make yourself useful. Balanced against such created value, existential problems are quite liveable. "In the beginning was the deed."

Eminently reasonable.
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

Josquin des Prez

Sentimentality is not an answer to existential problems. This seems, however, to be the only solution modern society has to offer. Mediocrity and frivolousness everywhere, as usual.

Josquin des Prez

#255
Quote from: karlhenning on November 03, 2011, 06:07:34 AM
Good Ridiculous Average: You're batting two for two ; )

No, you are right. There's no difference between academia and what the general public prefer to waste their time on. Mediocrity across the board. sorry for making that comment, it was unwarranted.

Florestan

Quote from: Josquin des Prez on November 04, 2011, 10:13:16 AM
Sentimentality is not an answer to existential problems.

You have been suggested sentiments, not sentimentality.
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

Josquin des Prez

Quote from: chasmaniac on November 04, 2011, 09:03:15 AM
Friends and lovers fit into this version of things quite nicely, I think.

What version? Of what things? More sentimental crap that makes no sense. Atheists always talk from this angle of course, when speaking of the value of life.

Josquin des Prez

Quote from: Florestan on November 04, 2011, 11:19:37 AM
You have been suggested sentiments, not sentimentality.

I don't see the difference.

Florestan

"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy