Unpopular Opinions

[ComposerOfAvantGarde]

Lol whoops I meant Jason Eckardt not James...........................................

[Florestan]

My only thought is: who are these people?

Your boycotting of living composers would horrify some guy. 

[Madiel]

I seemed to have better luck finding them...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Eckardt

It would have helped if I was given the correct name to actually search for.

There you have it folks: composers so well known that the person who initially named them couldn't quite remember the name.

[Madiel]

Your boycotting of living composers would horrify some guy. 

I don't boycott them. I'm quite sure I own a considerable number of works by living composers. Including (but not confined to) all the pop/rock/alternative musicians that lots of folks around here would be horrified that I don't boycott.

[Florestan]

There you have it folks: composers so well known that the person who initially named them couldn't quite remember the name.

I don't boycott them. I'm quite sure I own a considerable number of works by living composers. Including (but not confined to) all the pop/rock/alternative musicians that lots of folks around here would be horrified that I don't boycott.

Hah!

[Uhor]

Care for others as well as you would an expensive violin, people are instruments too.

[LKB]

Your boycotting of living composers would horrify some guy. 

While l don't exactly boycott most living composers, enough of them bore the crap out of me consistently enough that l do not seek them out.

Living Composer  ,

LKB

[millionrainbows]

Ah but did he use them all equally and all in the same order. Now that would interesting.

Oh, yeah, you mean like Schoenberg's 12-tone stuff. True. But even Bach had the Chromatic Fantasy, and the Sinfonia Nr. 9 uses 11 of the 12, but they're passing tones, usually. True 'use of all 12 tones' would be if they were all root movements. That would be true harmonic chromaticism.

[Mahlerian]

Oh, yeah, you mean like Schoenberg's 12-tone stuff. True.

Except that that's not the way any of Schoenberg's, or anyone else's, 12-tone music actually works.  Why don't people just use their ears and hear that it's exactly the same as any other music, aside from the term?

[Madiel]

Except that that's not the way any of Schoenberg's, or anyone else's, 12-tone music actually works.  Why don't people just use their ears and hear that it's exactly the same as any other music, aside from the term?

Because it's not "exactly the same". "Exactly the same" would consist of copying out another composer's piece and claiming it was your own. Your insistence on claiming there's nothing at all different makes about as much sense as asserting that all human beings are clone copies of each other.

And it certainly doesn't make sense to prefer one kind of music that is "exactly the same" over another kind. And yet here we all are, exhibiting preferences. Do you deny you have preferences?

[Mahlerian]

Because it's not "exactly the same". "Exactly the same" would consist of copying out another composer's piece and claiming it was your own. Your insistence on claiming there's nothing at all different makes about as much sense as asserting that all human beings are clone copies of each other.

And it certainly doesn't make sense to prefer one kind of music that is "exactly the same" over another kind. And yet here we all are, exhibiting preferences. Do you deny you have preferences?

Yes, it is different from other pieces of music in the same way that other pieces of music are different from each other.  I don't have a preference for 12-tone music any more than I have a preference for pieces of music using the note D# exactly 62 times.  It seems like an irrelevant characteristic.

[Madiel]

Yes, it is different from other pieces of music in the same way that other pieces of music are different from each other.  I don't have a preference for 12-tone music any more than I have a preference for pieces of music using the note D# exactly 62 times.  It seems like an irrelevant characteristic.

And because you find it irrelevant, you keep insisting that everybody else should also find it irrelevant. THAT is the biggest problem in the way you talk about this stuff. You're constantly mystified as to why other people decide to consider distinctions relevant that you don't consider relevant.

Which is not how subjective tastes work.

[Mahlerian]

And because you find it irrelevant, you keep insisting that everybody else should also find it irrelevant. THAT is the biggest problem in the way you talk about this stuff. You're constantly mystified as to why other people decide to consider distinctions relevant that you don't consider relevant.

No, other people insist that there is a relevant distinction present, and I am asking them to say what it is.  All of the answers I receive are nonsensical, which indicates either that they are unable to articulate that distinction, though they are able to perceive it and I am not, or there is no distinction present.

[Madiel]

No, other people insist that there is a relevant distinction present, and I am asking them to say what it is.  All of the answers I receive are nonsensical, which indicates either that they are unable to articulate that distinction, though they are able to perceive it and I am not, or there is no distinction present.

Maybe you should roll your eyes and move on. I know that's what I'm going to do after this post.

[Parsifal]

No, other people insist that there is a relevant distinction present, and I am asking them to say what it is.  All of the answers I receive are nonsensical, which indicates either that they are unable to articulate that distinction, though they are able to perceive it and I am not, or there is no distinction present.

So you have excluded, as a matter principle, the possibility that they have articulated a distinction which you failed to understand?

[Mahlerian]

So you have excluded, as a matter principle, the possibility that they have articulated a distinction which you failed to understand?

Yes, because then they would have been able to articulate it in a way that was not self-contradictory.

[millionrainbows]

Why don't people just use their ears and hear that it's exactly the same as any other music, aside from the term?

Probably because "they" don't hear it that way. Exactly the same? That's a rather broad generalization.

[Abuelo Igor]

Richard Strauss was considerably more talented than Mahler.

[Jaakko Keskinen]

I would like to say: he was. But then I remember Mahler's 4th symphony. And I also would like to say he wasn't: but then I remember Elektra. Sometimes I like to put the other one above the other but most often they are close to a tie.

[Jo498]

Sure (Did not Stravinsky say "the talent that once was a genius" about Strauss?), but Mahler still turned out the more interesting instrumental music, I think.