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Quote from: mjwal on March 13, 2012, 09:46:07 AMTop performances of Das Lied von der Erde (of the 18 I know/have heard and have been listening to since last summer, on and off): Rosbaud, Reiner, Jochum. I have yet to listen to the Giulini on Testament. Bruno Walter live with Forrester and Lewis was better than his studio efforts, but the sound is poor. I have never heard: Karajan, Giulini DG, Tennstedt - or several others of course.I could wish the Rosbaud or Klemperers had Maureen Forrester (the best alto singer of all) or Nan Merriman - but I put the Rosbaud first because it is the one performance that brings all the orchestral voices and layers together in a completely transparent manner while phrasing each separate strand at the highest level of taut expressivity; the "soloists" are not so overbearingly important as in other performances. Rosbaud has a male soloist, Melchert, who avoids sounding merely nobly beautiful or poignant (Wunderlich - EMI) - apart from Patzak (Walter Decca), Dermota (Klemperer Vox)and Haefliger (Jochum, van Beinum) he is the only male soloist who achieves an idiomatic tone (several tenors, like the egregious Vickers, murder the fin-de-siècle German language, which ought to sound a bit Viennese IMO), and he has a more heroic voice than they do (I have heard Haefliger and Jerusalem in concert, and they both got swallowed up by the orchestra in places). I can put up with the vocal inadequacy of Rosbaud's Grace Hoffmann, who is a superior diseuse (rather that than the bathtub of sentiment one is plunged into by Ferrier); Klemperer's Elsa Cavelti (Vox), however, puts my teeth on edge, as does the sound of that Vox recording - and Christa Ludwig (EMI) leaves me indifferent as usual. Chacun à son goût, I'm sure others react quite differently. I am in two minds about the Kubelik: it deliquesces rather too much for my taste, Janet Baker is just a tad too angelic (shades of Gerontius!) for me, while Kmentt, though idiomatic, is rather slapdash.I mean to listen to the Sanderling again: listening to his Heldenleben recently with enthusiasm has made me want to revise my first rather underwhelmed reaction some years ago - and Schreier is very interesting.
Quote from: mjwal on March 13, 2012, 09:46:07 AMTop performances of Das Lied von der Erde (of the 18 I know/have heard and have been listening to since last summer, on and off): Rosbaud, Reiner, Jochum. I have yet to listen to the Giulini on Testament. Bruno Walter live with Forrester and Lewis was better than his studio efforts, but the sound is poor. I have never heard: Karajan, Giulini DG, Tennstedt - or several others of course.
Quote from: Mandryka on March 14, 2012, 09:10:10 AMYes well thanks for drawing my attention to the Melchert, who I liked very much. And Rosbaud too. Where we disagree is over Grace Hoffmann who I could barely bare, and I find Elsa Cavelti more acceptable, even though there are moments when I wince slightly with displeasure. It's all subjective when it comes to voices of course. Completely randomly I've been enjoying quite a bit of Rosbaud recently, especially Bartok's 2 pianos and percussion music. I saw Siegfried Jerusalem a couple of times, once in Parsifal with Goodall. And he didn't really seem to have a big penetrating voice like Vickers. So no surprises that his voice is sometimes drowned.
Quote from: Scion7 on March 17, 2012, 05:48:41 AMHas no one else heard the Solti/CSO/Minton/Kollo?
Quote from: mjwal on March 16, 2012, 03:09:07 AMWhat turns me on about Rosbaud's Das Lied is that I concentrate on the music - in all its vertical and horizontal exfoliations - and not the "emotional expression" as leant on by notable soloists
Quote from: Leo K on March 13, 2012, 11:36:58 AMHere is my brief list:Top Five:MTT/SFSO/SFSOKubelik/BRS/AuditeBoulez/VPO/DGHorenstein/BBC Northern/BBC Klemperer/NPO/EMIHonorable mention:Sieghart/APO/Exton (Pristine sound)Overall, I prefer the tenor and baritone version of this work, the best one being MTT's, which is stunning in performance and sound.
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 17, 2012, 06:20:56 AMSo you don't want the emotion getting in the way of the music? Okay I rather think the best versions give you both.Sarge
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