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Wakefield

Telemann & The Baroque Gypsies
Ensemble Caprice
Matthias Maute



Vibrant and energetic, and fully enjoyable.  :)
"Isn't it funny? The truth just sounds different."
- Almost Famous (2000)

Florestan



The G minor is played with Beethovenian intensity, especially the first movement. Things lighten up a bit (but not too much) in the E-flat major. This is serious, weighty and committed Mozart playing
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

Karl Henning

Quote from: Florestan on September 13, 2018, 04:51:59 AM
The G minor is played with Beethovenian intensity, especially the first movement.

So the question is:  is Beethovenian intensity a distortion, or is it being true to Mozart?
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Florestan

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 13, 2018, 04:54:19 AM
So the question is:  is Beethovenian intensity a distortion, or is it being true to Mozart?

For those who think Mozart was all sunshine and nonchalance, probably the former.
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

MN Dave

Quote from: Florestan on September 13, 2018, 05:10:12 AM
For those who think Mozart was all sunshine and nonchalance, probably the former.

I thought Mozart was all sugar and spice.
"The effect of music is so very much more powerful and penetrating than is that of the other arts, for these others speak only of the shadow, but music of the essence." — Arthur Schopenhauer

Mahlerian

Truly Mozart is the embodiment of the demonic...
"l do not consider my music as atonal, but rather as non-tonal. I feel the unity of all keys. Atonal music by modern composers admits of no key at all, no feeling of any definite center." - Arnold Schoenberg

TheGSMoeller

Quote from: Gordo on September 13, 2018, 04:01:25 AM
Telemann & The Baroque Gypsies
Ensemble Caprice
Matthias Maute



Vibrant and energetic, and fully enjoyable.  :)

I love that disc, Gordo! Glad to see you're enjoying it.

amw

Quote from: Florestan on September 13, 2018, 04:51:59 AM


The G minor is played with Beethovenian intensity, especially the first movement. Things lighten up a bit (but not too much) in the E-flat major. This is serious, weighty and committed Mozart playing
This is a very good recording, maybe my favourite on modern instruments. I don't think they're all intensity and weight all the time though—they certainly turn up the charm for the finale of No.1 (one of my favourite individual movements in Mozart's output) for example.

Karl Henning

Quote from: Florestan on September 13, 2018, 05:10:12 AM
For those who think Mozart was all sunshine and nonchalance, probably the former.

For informed listeners who have no such cartoonish thoughts of Mozart, is it nevertheless a distortion?
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Biffo

Martinu: Overture for Orchestra; Rhapsody for Large Orchestra; The Parables for Large Orchestra & Estampes for Orchestra - Jiri Belohlavek conducting the Czech Philharmonic Orchestra, recordings from 1987 (issued 1989)

Florestan

Quote from: amw on September 13, 2018, 05:32:43 AM
This is a very good recording, maybe my favourite on modern instruments. I don't think they're all intensity and weight all the time though—they certainly turn up the charm for the finale of No.1 (one of my favourite individual movements in Mozart's output) for example.

Oh, sure, I agree.
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

Florestan

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 13, 2018, 05:36:24 AM
For informed listeners who have no such cartoonish thoughts of Mozart, is it nevertheless a distortion?

I don't think so. To my ears they are serious and weighty but I don't mean they are dark and gloomy and turn Mozart into Alan Pettersson. See amw's comment.
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

Karl Henning

Quote from: Florestan on September 13, 2018, 05:43:49 AM
I don't think so. To my ears they are serious and weighty but I don't mean they are dark and gloomy and turn Mozart into Alan Pettersson. See amw's comment.

Thank you both.

Just to clarify my opinion (not specific to this recording, which I have not heard), while Alan Pettersson is an exaggerated example—no one thinks Mozart should sound like Pettersson!—I don't think it would be right to make Mozart sound like Beethoven, either.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

amw

Quote from: Florestan on September 13, 2018, 05:43:49 AM
I don't think so. To my ears they are serious and weighty but I don't mean they are dark and gloomy and turn Mozart into Alan Pettersson. See amw's comment.
Yes, much more Donna Anna than Queen of the Night, imo.

Karl Henning

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Pf Quintet in g minor, Op.57 (1940)
Ashkenazy & the Fitzwilliams


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Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Florestan

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 13, 2018, 05:50:47 AM
Thank you both.

Just to clarify my opinion (not specific to this recording, which I have not heard), while Alan Pettersson is an exaggerated example—no one thinks Mozart should sound like Pettersson!—I don't think it would be right to make Mozart sound like Beethoven, either.

Well, imho early Beethoven would not be entirely inappropriate, he sometimes sounded quite Mozartian himself.

Anyway, I should have probably written "almost Beethovenian intensity". You should not infer from my comment that what you hear on this recording is not recognizably Mozart.
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

Florestan

Quote from: amw on September 13, 2018, 05:52:31 AM
Yes, much more Donna Anna than Queen of the Night, imo.

Yes, a nice way to put it.
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

Judith

Had a Shostakovich Day today as fancied something with a bit of bite.

Shostakovich
Piano Trio no 2
Joshua Bell
Steven Isserlis
Olli Mustonen

Shostakovich Symphony no 9
RLPO
Vasily Petrenko

Both very tasty

Karl Henning

Quote from: Judith on September 13, 2018, 06:32:53 AM
Had a Shostakovich Day today as fancied something with a bit of bite.

Shostakovich
Piano Trio no 2
Joshua Bell
Steven Isserlis
Olli Mustonen

Shostakovich Symphony no 9
RLPO
Vasily Petrenko

Both very tasty

Almost as if I knew . . .


Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 13, 2018, 05:53:10 AM
ДШ
Pf Quintet in g minor, Op.57 (1940)
Ashkenazy & the Fitzwilliams





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Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

vandermolen

Quote from: Roasted Swan on September 12, 2018, 11:47:03 PM
When in judgemental mood I've tended to dismiss L'Orchestre de la Suisse Romande as characterful but ragged (certainly in years back).  But recently I've enjoyed 3 of their recordings a lot;

One of my all time favourite Sibelius collections:
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with the best En Saga I know.  Horst Stein gets the orchestra to play with such fervour and drama.

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Weller is excellent in all 3 of the Symphonies but he gets real attack and venom from the L'OdlSR

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This is a recent purchase and I'm very impressed.  Spring really does blaze in here in the 1st movement.  Not the subtlest performance but very exciting and full of life.  I love the Zemlinsky too.
I like that Weller recording as well. The second CD used the same image used for Damase's 'Symphonie'.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).