Fun Poll Time: Does Film Music Belong In The Same Category As Classical Music?

Started by Mirror Image, March 15, 2013, 09:03:20 PM

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Does film music belong in the same category as classical music?

Yes
14 (56%)
No
11 (44%)

Total Members Voted: 22

Voting closed: October 01, 2013, 09:03:19 PM

Mirror Image

What do you guys think?

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AnthonyAthletic

I don't see why not, after all we accept England's fourth composer as classical, do we not?

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Christo

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Christo

... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

AnthonyAthletic

Quote from: Christo on March 16, 2013, 03:09:30 AM
Who could that be? After Vaughan Williams, Brian and Cooke, I wonder?  ::)

I would have no idea as to whom you rate as England's fourth composer?

Now we know your top three  ::)

Rolling eyes back at ya.

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Christo

Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on March 16, 2013, 03:20:40 AM
I would have no idea as to whom you rate as England's fourth composer?

Now we know your top three  ::)

Rolling eyes back at ya.

Mine? Why?  ;) Some other names for the first ranks would include, IMO: Holst, Berkeley (père), Bate, Arnold, Rubbra. But we're getting a bit tired of lists here, aren't we?  ;)
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AnthonyAthletic

Where would you rate, and I'm pulling a random composer out of the air...where would you rate say....Delius?  Is he in your top rank?  MI will be reading this later  :laugh:

I like him very much, but his lack of film music sucks.  He could definitely have written film songs for Celine Dion or even Adele.

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Christo

Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on March 16, 2013, 03:41:22 AM
Where would you rate, and I'm pulling a random composer out of the air...where would you rate say....Delius?  Is he in your top rank?  MI will be reading this later  :laugh:

I like him very much, but his lack of film music sucks.  He could definitely have written film songs for Celine Dion or even Adele.

My main interest in Delius lies in the fact (should make a final check though  8)) that his name derives from a Dutch family dynasty of 17th Century reformed theologicians who latinized their family name "Van Deelen" - i.e. 'From Deelen', a tiny medieval settlement on the heath just a few miles to the East from where I'm living at the moment - into Delius. I may regard him an old neighbour, so to say. As to his music: let MI speak for it.  ;)
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Sergeant Rock

Yes, for the same reason ballet, incidental music (e.g., Beethoven's Egmont and Grieg's Peer Gynt) and melodrama (e.g., Sibelius's Wood-Nymph and Strauss's Enoch Arden) are considered classical music.

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Mirror Image

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 16, 2013, 04:30:53 AM
Yes, for the same reason ballet, incidental music (e.g., Beethoven's Egmont and Grieg's Peer Gynt) and melodrama (e.g., Sibelius's Wood-Nymph and Strauss's Enoch Arden) are considered classical music.

Sarge

So the soundtrack to Bladerunner is classical? How about Goldsmith's Rambo: First Blood?

North Star

Quote from: Mirror Image on March 16, 2013, 05:13:46 AM
So the soundtrack to Bladerunner is classical? How about Goldsmith's Rambo: First Blood?
And clearly all symphonies, operas and string quartets are masterpieces of the highest order, and therefore, classical music.  ::)
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Brian

Quote from: Mirror Image on March 16, 2013, 05:13:46 AM
So the soundtrack to Bladerunner is classical? How about Goldsmith's Rambo: First Blood?
You just explained why the question is silly. The soundtrack to Alexander Nevsky is obviously classical. The soundtrack to Young Frankenstein is classical pastiche. The soundtracks to Anatomy of a Murder, Stand and Deliver, and Rachel Getting Married are explicitly not classical. So the only acceptable answer is "sometimes."

Rinaldo

Quote from: North Star on March 16, 2013, 05:52:57 AM
And clearly all symphonies, operas and string quartets are masterpieces of the highest order, and therefore, classical music.  ::)

Well, both Blade Runner and Rambo actually are masterpieces, but it's interesting to think about where one draws the line. I wouldn't consider Blade Runner as a classical work because it's all synth and Vangelis is a "pop" composer, but I have no problem letting Goldsmith into the classical fold. That said, I don't listen to any of his soundtracks the way I listen to classical stuff. The movie presence is too strong.

That said, I don't think there's a precise line between what is and what is not classical and more importantly, I don't think there's a need to draw that line.

Quote from: Brian on March 16, 2013, 06:01:26 AMSo the only acceptable answer is "sometimes."

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mahler10th

Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on March 16, 2013, 03:41:22 AM
Where would you rate, and I'm pulling a random composer out of the air...where would you rate say....Delius?  Is he in your top rank?  MI will be reading this later  :laugh:

I like him very much, but his lack of film music sucks.  He could definitely have written film songs for Celine Dion or even Adele.

I agree, it is like Delius was writing music for Cinemascope pictures before they were even invented.

PaulR