Vaughan Williams's Veranda

[vandermolen]

I suspect they sang the original Tallis piece with the original words. But hopefully Jeffrey will put us all out of our misery... 

Sorry Johan but I'm not too sure as it was a complete surprise and there was nothing in the Programme notes about it. It was very familiar from my record of the Tallis and I think that what you say above is correct.

[vandermolen]

Real quick......what does everyone think about the finale of the 9th?

Heard it live yesterday. Wonderful, fantastic. Those last great chords looming up out of the darkness I find very moving. An extraordinary work by any standards let alone one written by someone in their mid eighties.

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

More's the point Colin, how did my wife endure so much VW? She loved Tallis and Symphony No 5+ the Shakespeare Songs however, so I am off the hook (for now). There were two 2o minute intervals, so it was a bit of a marathon.

If I may chip in - it's obvious your wife likes Beauty, whereas you also like the Beast in music...

[vandermolen]

If I may chip in - it's obvious your wife likes Beauty, whereas you also like the Beast in music...

And in art (as in my choice of Corinth paintings in the diner section).

[greg]

If you don't mind taking a little bit of time, you can read back through this thread. Luke was quite eloquent about the 9th and its finale. At some point I weighed in about what I like about the ending.

Ok, I'll try to find it. 

Heard it live yesterday. Wonderful, fantastic. Those last great chords looming up out of the darkness I find very moving. An extraordinary work by any standards let alone one written by someone in their mid eighties.

Live, yesterday? lol, what a  coincidence. 

[karlhenning]

I suspect they sang the original Tallis piece with the original words.

I remember that verse translation of the Psalm being something of a moufful . . . happily I've never been required to sing the abbreviated archaic verb fum'th 

[karlhenning]

I may be proved wrong in this; but my understanding is that the orig Tallis setting alone uses the full version of his music: the third of Nine Tunes for Archbishop Parker's Psalter. 'Why Fum'th in fight the Gentiles spite.'

It is a long time since I heard VWs setting from the English Hymnal, but I seem to recall it was an adaptation; rather than Tallis' complete music simply being set to new words.

I never knew that about an adaptation, Mike;  whenever I've heard the Tallis hymn sung, though, it's been with the text "I heard the voice of Jesus say."

[Christo]

@ all: As stated somewhere in this thread before, I think the words Vaughan Williams really had in mind are those from a hymn from 1712 by Joseph Adison on the same melody by Thomas Tallis, and especially its first line: "When rising from the bed of death".

I hope this was the text Hickox made the choir sing, Jeffrey?

For Addison's complete verse, see: http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/w/r/wriftbod.htm (with the music added for free, in a superb performance, much to Luke's appreciation ;-) ). 

[Dundonnell]

If you like VW's music can I recommend the Viola Concerto by his pupil, Stanley Bate(1911-69), just issued on the Dutton label.

I have written more about it on the W.H. Bell thread

Bate was described as an "eclectic" and the huge concerto is certainly that but........! Recommended

[karlhenning]

@ all: As stated somewhere in this thread before, I think the words Vaughan Williams really had in mind are those from a hymn from 1712 by Joseph Adison on the same melody by Thomas Tallis, and especially its first line: "When rising from the bed of death".

I hope this was the text Hickox made the choir sing, Jeffrey?

For Addison's complete verse, see: http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/w/r/wriftbod.htm (with the music added for free, in a superb performance, much to Luke's appreciation ;-) ). 

Splendid, thank you, Christo!

[scarpia]

Isn't it lovely to have post after post after post of people offering the genial congratulations to each other for being so perceptive as lot admire Vaughan Williams.  Good that we're past those unpleasant times when someone would throw a monkey wrench into the works by expressing a dissenting view.

[karlhenning]

Personally, I think singing fum'th is utterly barbarous.

[knight66]

Isn't it lovely to have post after post after post of people offering the genial congratulations to each other for being so perceptive as lot admire Vaughan Williams.  Good that we're past those unpleasant times when someone would throw a monkey wrench into the works by expressing a dissenting view.

Good to know that you are in that kind of mood. There are, as you know; ways and ways of expressing dissenting views. Unpleasant, divisive posts will not be left intact.

Knight

[Christo]

@Karl, my most genial congratulations for your scarp insights!

[scarpia]

Good to know that you are in that kind of mood. There are, as you know; ways and ways of expressing dissenting views. Unpleasant, divisive posts will not be left intact.

Is that supposed to be a threat?

[knight66]

It is a matter of policy here. We will not be having another outbreak of the kind of aggression that we have just eliminated; the kind of behaviour you have several times said recently that you enjoyed at least watching.

So, perhaps you have some remarks to make about the composer who is subject of this thread rather than the people writing the posts?

Knight

[scarpia]

It is a matter of policy here. We will not be having another outbreak of the kind of aggression that we have just eliminated; the kind of behaviour you have several times said recently that you enjoyed at least watching.

So, perhaps you have some remarks to make about the composer who is subject of this thread rather than the people writing the posts?

Knight

No, I have no further remarks to make.
I agree with Luke's sentiments, why waste my time here?

[Catison]

It appears we are clearing out the wind machines.

[adamdavid80]

It appears we are clearing out the wind machines.

So long as you're not going out of your way to dance on anyone's grave...

[Catison]

So long as you're not going out of your way to dance on anyone's grave...

Yeah, I was mean, but some puns are irresistible.