The Odd One Out

[DavidW]

Well, this argument is kind of... uh.. weak. I mean, if we are only talking about degrees here.

Any folksy stuff in Rochberg? I still think I have the best argument.

I agree with that, let's just declare you the winner!  Why don't you come up with a odd one out?

[springrite]

I agree with that, let's just declare you the winner!  Why don't you come up with a odd one out?

Furtwangler, Salonen, Mahler, Boulez, Walter

[kyjo]

Well, this argument is kind of... uh.. weak. I mean, if we are only talking about degrees here.

Any folksy stuff in Rochberg? I still think I have the best argument.

You have every right to criticize my argument. Maybe I'm not the best person to initiate these kinds of threads?

You have an excellent argument regarding Rochberg that I hadn't thought of, but since you guys are struggling so much, I'll say the answer is not Rochberg! C'mon, use those brains of yours!

[DavidW]

Furtwangler, Salonen, Mahler, Boulez, Walter

Is it that Boulez has a degree in mathematics which the others do not?

[springrite]

Is it that Boulez has a degree in mathematics which the others do not?

No, it has to do with music or music-making only. Nothing else.

[kyjo]

Are you guys ridiculing me?

[The new erato]

Conductors who composed or the other way round.

And to kyjo, V-L it is I guess.

[Archaic Torso of Apollo]

Furtwangler, Salonen, Mahler, Boulez, Walter

Walter is the only one who's not also a composer?

[springrite]

Walter is the only one who's not also a composer?

Yes, he is. And you are on the right track, kind of...


Oh, apologies to kyjo for jumping the gun here!

[kyjo]

Yes, he is. And you are on the right track, kind of...


Oh, apologies to kyjo for jumping the gun here!

Apology accepted. Actually, Bruno Walter was a composer, albeit not a very prolific one. His dense, Mahlerian Symphony no. 1 and large-scale Violin Sonata have been recorded. He also composed a Symphony no. 2, among other things.

Anyone else want to take a stab at this before I reveal the (or should I say my ) answer and reason?

[PaulSC]

Not really! Well, all of them underwent some stylistic changes, but think which conposer's stylistic changes were least drastic than the others.

Fair enough -- but in that case, have I not guessed correctly?

[Brian]

C.P.E. Bach, W.F. Bach, J.C. Bach, J.C.F. Bach, Nicki Minaj

[kyjo]

C.P.E. Bach, W.F. Bach, J.C. Bach, J.C.F. Bach, Nicki Minaj

[kyjo]

Well, since you guys seem to have given up, the answer is......Villa-Lobos. For two reasons:

1. Stravinsky experimented with late-romanticism, impressionism, barbarism (for lack of a better term), neoclassicism and serialism. Bloch dabbled in late-romanticism, orientalism, impressionism, neo-romanticism, neoclassicism and serialism. Copland had two very contrasted styles: hard-edged serialism and, of course, his much more accessible Americana style. He also composed a few neoclassical works as well. Rochberg initially composed in a serial idiom, but after the death of his teenage son in 1964, his idiom became heartfelt and tonal, a style which could be termed "hard romanticism". But Villa-Lobos never underwent any drastic stylistic changes. His style retained its masterful combination of impressionism, neoclassicism, exoticism, barbarism and folk music throughout his prolific career.

2. Villa-Lobos was the only one of these composers to never experiment with serialism, as John (Mirror Image) pointed out earlier.

I hope this makes sense! Please feel free to debate with my argument.

[mc ukrneal]

Well, since you guys seem to have given up, the answer is......Villa-Lobos. For two reasons:

1. Stravinsky experimented with late-romanticism, impressionism, barbarism (for lack of a better term), neoclassicism and serialism. Bloch dabbled in late-romanticism, orientalism, impressionism, neo-romanticism, neoclassicism and serialism. Copland had two very contrasted styles: hard-edged serialism and, of course, his much more accessible Americana style. He also composed a few neoclassical works as well. Rochberg initially composed in a serial idiom, but after the death of his teenage son in 1964, his idiom became heartfelt and tonal, a style which could be termed "hard romanticism". But Villa-Lobos never underwent any drastic stylistic changes. His style retained its masterful combination of impressionism, neoclassicism, exoticism, barbarism and folk music throughout his prolific career.

2. Villa-Lobos was the only one of these composers to never experiment with serialism, as John (Mirror Image) pointed out earlier.

I hope this makes sense! Please feel free to debate with my argument.

SO basically, Villa-Lobos was a duck and the rest are all witches! (V-L didn't dabble and think Monty Python)

[jut1972]

Rochberg didn't write any ballets, to my knowledge. And please read the hint I so graciously provided you guys: It has to do with their styles! By the way, if you really want to know the answer, feel free to PM me.

http://www.classicalarchives.com/work/291816.html

But now I'm thinking Nicki Minaj.  in the library. with the candlestick.

[The new erato]

Conductors who composed or the other way round.

And to kyjo, V-L it is I guess.

Say no more.

[Pat B]

C.P.E. Bach, W.F. Bach, J.C. Bach, J.C.F. Bach, Nicki Minaj

Could you give us a hint?

[springrite]

Conductors who composed or the other way round.

Yes, they are/were both composer and conductor. But given that, what makes one different from the rest?

[some guy]

So is it that Walter, like Markevich, gave up composing?