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« Reply #300 on: February 05, 2010, 10:19:34 AM »
I’m sorry, I thought you were talking about why you are not interested in the trios.

No, I am interested in the trios.  My point is that

(a) the interpretative range is pretty limited, there is not alot of variation between recordings if I can listen to polar opposite approaches and they still sound about the same (something that can't be said about Haydn's trios btw)

(b) since they are not great, simply good it's hardly worth looking for some special recording that brings out the greatness, it doesn't exist.

(c) the Mozartean Players are not great, merely competent.

In short I'm answering his post, that in my opinion don't bother buying the Mozartean Players recording.  You may disagree with me, which is fine, but you don't you dare tell me to shut up.  You are not forum cop around here.

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« Reply #301 on: February 05, 2010, 10:32:26 AM »
No, I am interested in the trios.  My point is that

(a) the interpretative range is pretty limited, there is not alot of variation between recordings if I can listen to polar opposite approaches and they still sound about the same (something that can't be said about Haydn's trios btw)

(b) since they are not great, simply good it's hardly worth looking for some special recording that brings out the greatness, it doesn't exist.

(c) the Mozartean Players are not great, merely competent.

Respectfully disagree with those points, David.
I have found that is much more quality in the music than I ever imagined - to my delight. :) And it was the recording by the Mozartean that revealed it, not the Beaux Arts recording, which comes from another planet as far as I'm concerned.  8)

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« Reply #302 on: February 05, 2010, 10:56:22 AM »


Recently ordered this HIP Kuijken sonata set

I had (and still have) nothing to compare those recordings with, but:
(a) The sheer sound of them proved addictive. The acoustic may be a little too reverberative for some, on the earlier discs, but I entirely loved it. Wonderful sense of immediacy.
(b) There was a period of a couple of  weeks where I chose to play almost nothing else - just cycled through the discs over and over.

I'll always associate these recordings with Harry, who persistently encouraged me to buy them when they were available at an incredible bargain price from jpc, and I'm so, so glad that he did!

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« Reply #303 on: February 05, 2010, 12:46:24 PM »
I found this cd in my collection with the convenient tittle mozart music with fortepiano on period instruments
http://www.amazon.com/Mozart-Fortepiano-Instruments-Andantino-Fantasia/dp/B000003X9Z/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1265402392&sr=1-1

Besides the piano trio I wanted to hear, the cd has the c minor fantasia played better than i've ever heard. uhhghgh hauntingly good...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0d5gTHL7x4

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« Reply #304 on: February 05, 2010, 03:59:06 PM »
Respectfully disagree with those points, David.
I have found that is much more quality in the music than I ever imagined - to my delight. :) And it was the recording by the Mozartean that revealed it, not the Beaux Arts recording, which comes from another planet as far as I'm concerned.  8)

Hi David - well, I'd have to agree w/ Q et al on Steven Lubin & the Mozartean Players in the the Wolfie Piano Trios (also have the same performers in the Piano Quartets) - in fact, just put on the first disc for a repeat listening (has been a while) - I have an older copy (in fact the liner notes CDs as being 'cassette sides' -  :D).  Interestingly, these works are listed as K.254, then jumping to K.496 and higher to K.564 - on the earlier work now - the latter are more mature, so not sure if that might be an issue?

But, I do enjoy these works and have had these discs for a while - let the fracas continue -  ;) ;D

Hope all is going well w/ you - Dave  :)

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« Reply #305 on: February 05, 2010, 05:55:33 PM »
I think Mozart's piano trios are very good.  Not nearly his bread & butter in the chamber field, but still very good.  I happen to enjoy them just as much as Haydn's.  Perhaps if he had written 79,000 like Papa J, his would be rated just as high.

Beethoven is the King of piano trios, hands down.

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« Reply #306 on: February 05, 2010, 06:01:24 PM »
I think Mozart's piano trios are very good.  Not nearly his bread & butter in the chamber field, but still very good.  I happen to enjoy them just as much as Haydn's.  Perhaps if he had written 79,000 like Papa J, his would be rated just as high.

Ah no way!  Haydn's London ones are some of the finest chamber works of the classical era, it has absolutely nothing to do with quantity.

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Beethoven is the King of piano trios, hands down.

One of them is actually my favorite work, but overall if I were to pick the king for the trios, I would pick Brahms.  They paradoxically sound both intimate and majestic. 8)

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« Reply #307 on: February 05, 2010, 06:06:39 PM »
One of them is actually my favorite work, but overall if I were to pick the king for the trios, I would pick Brahms.  They paradoxically sound both intimate and majestic. 8)

I was just going to mention Brahms, David.  I just thought it would seem too 'Brahmsian' on my part to do so.  ;D

As with pretty much everything Brahms touched in the chamber genre, the piano trios are golden!  Love them dearly!

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« Reply #308 on: February 05, 2010, 06:09:15 PM »
Just a follow-up to my previous post on the Mozart Piano Trios showing an 'older' release cover art and the liner notes w/ the 'cassette' listings - OH, does that bring back some old times for this media!  :D

 

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« Reply #309 on: February 05, 2010, 06:19:26 PM »
I must say I find Mozart's piano trios to be rather dull, not nearly comparable to the piano quartets, where the keyboard and string section are both independent units in dialog with each other.  In the Trios, it seems like a piano sonata with the base line and melody accentuated by the string instruments, sort of like the older Haydn Trios.  I have the Harmonia Mundi recordings, as well as some others on Hyperion, none do anything for me, really.

For the Quartets I have an HIP recording on the ASV label that is "da bomb."

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« Reply #310 on: February 05, 2010, 06:27:20 PM »
Just a follow-up to my previous post on the Mozart Piano Trios showing an 'older' release cover art and the liner notes w/ the 'cassette' listings - OH, does that bring back some old times for this media!  :D

 

This is the third, maybe fourth, re-release... love those recordings. I pushed them on non-HIP-allergic customers when they were on the (unfortunately ugly looking) HMU Classics Express line for $4.99.

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« Reply #311 on: February 05, 2010, 07:15:33 PM »
Ugly covers for Mozart is so . . . WRONG!

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« Reply #312 on: February 05, 2010, 07:18:31 PM »
Ugly covers for Mozart is so . . . WRONG!

Verb conjugation is so wrong.

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« Reply #313 on: February 05, 2010, 07:24:34 PM »
Take it to the Grumble ; )

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« Reply #314 on: February 05, 2010, 07:32:56 PM »
For the Quartets I have an HIP recording on the ASV label that is "da bomb."

Curious what it might be (without having to do a bunch of research... :) )

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« Reply #315 on: February 05, 2010, 07:40:21 PM »
Curious what it might be (without having to do a bunch of research... :) )

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Just looked it up, Sonnerie, and outfit that includes Monica Hugget



Best single disc of Mozart Chamber music I have, I'd say.  Cover's ugly, admittedly.  For some reason they reserve the nekkid ladies for the Scriabin covers.   ;D

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« Reply #316 on: February 06, 2010, 07:18:30 AM »
Just looked it up, Sonnerie, and outfit that includes Monica Hugget



Best single disc of Mozart Chamber music I have, I'd say.  Cover's ugly, admittedly.  For some reason they reserve the nekkid ladies for the Scriabin covers.   ;D

Oh, excellent, thanks for the info. I have a couple disks by them and like 'em. All those Gaudeamus covers are ugly, but the music's good, so I guess that makes up for. :D

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« Reply #317 on: February 06, 2010, 08:54:44 AM »
Ugly covers for Mozart is so . . . WRONG!

Yesss.  This is what sells in today's market:



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« Reply #318 on: February 06, 2010, 09:41:14 AM »


It being one instrument does produce another balance and, as it seems to me, also some tonal interference/blending of sound. The fortepiano actually sounds here a bit like a tangent piano to my ears. To me this this disc sounds as a lot of exhilarating fun! ;D

Anyway, for those who like to hear it:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/iw7bSzETbH4" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/iw7bSzETbH4</a> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/J0LI34kYMWE" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/J0LI34kYMWE</a>

I am a huge Staier fan.......and performances like this only fan the flames!
Everything Andreas Staier touches comes to life for me like "almost" no other artist, those samples say it all, I love this CD
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« Reply #319 on: February 06, 2010, 11:21:09 AM »
Just looked it up, Sonnerie, and outfit that includes Monica Hugget



Best single disc of Mozart Chamber music I have, I'd say.  Cover's ugly, admittedly.  For some reason they reserve the nekkid ladies for the Scriabin covers.   ;D

It's not that ugly --  I was imagining something truly execrable!