The ONE Chopin Nocturnes Cycle to Rule Them All!

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ZauberdrachenNr.7

I'll vote for Tamás Vásáry.  Admittedly, this is partly a sympathy vote as I believe he should be represented here.  His is one of the most poetic readings on record - granted, the recording leaves much to be desired, but I think it's The One performance that Frédéric himself would give the nod to. 

George

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mn dave

We have a new contender and it's tied up at the top.

Moravec 8
Arrau 8
Rubinstein ('60s) 4
Wild 1
Yokoyama (Sony) 1
Tipo 1
Pires 1
Ciani 1
Vásáry 1

Todd

Quote from: Mn Dave on June 12, 2014, 05:47:09 PM
We have a new contender and it's tied up at the top.

Moravec 8
Arrau 8



(But that's possibly a bit misleading, because here, Moravec must take precedence, just as air must take precedence over water.)
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mn dave

Quote from: Todd on June 12, 2014, 05:50:45 PM


(But that's possibly a bit misleading, because here, Moravec must take precedence, just as air must take precedence over water.)

You didn't even vote for him. :)

Todd

Quote from: Mn Dave on June 12, 2014, 05:53:52 PM
You didn't even vote for him. :)


True, but that doesn't make my post any less accurate.
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George

Quote from: Todd on June 12, 2014, 05:50:45 PM
(But that's possibly a bit misleading, because here, Moravec must take precedence, just as air must take precedence over water.)

Why should Moravec take precedence? And why isn't putting him first in the list giving him precedence?

I think Moravec excels in the Ballades, but in the Nocturnes Arrau is in a league of his own.
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George

Quote from: Mn Dave on June 11, 2014, 05:37:40 PM
Moravec 5
Arrau 2  (I'm with Sammy)
Wild 1
Yokoyama (Sony) 1

Which sets do you have, Dave?
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Ken B

Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on June 12, 2014, 03:09:21 PM
I'll vote for Tamás Vásáry.  Admittedly, this is partly a sympathy vote as I believe he should be represented here.  His is one of the most poetic readings on record - granted, the recording leaves much to be desired, but I think it's The One performance that Frédéric himself would give the nod to.
Danke. I called him out but had to vote Arrau. But he is splendid in these.

aquablob

I voted for Moravec, but Arrau is a very close second for me.

mn dave


Holden

Arrau is too fussy in this music for me to even consider him. As I've said previously I don't like Chopin with an overdose of rubato and that describes the Arrau (and others).
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Holden

aquablob

Quote from: Holden on June 13, 2014, 02:33:21 PM
Arrau is too fussy in this music for me to even consider him. As I've said previously I don't like Chopin with an overdose of rubato and that describes the Arrau (and others).

Arrau is glorious. So say we all.

Wakefield

Quote from: Holden on June 13, 2014, 02:33:21 PM
Arrau is too fussy in this music for me to even consider him. As I've said previously I don't like Chopin with an overdose of rubato and that describes the Arrau (and others).

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Ken B

Quote from: Holden on June 13, 2014, 02:33:21 PM
Arrau is too fussy in this music for me to even consider him. As I've said previously I don't like Chopin with an overdose of rubato and that describes the Arrau (and others).
Fussy but too much rubato? Is that like tall but lacking in height?

Mandryka

Arrau's rubato doesn't seem at all unnatural to me, on the contrary. I don't think the studio set shows him at his best, there's a live nocturne on an Ermitage CD which is tremendous.

As far as Moravec's studio set is concerned,  it's gorgeously conceived, immaculately executed and boring as fuck. Like Arrau he does better in the live recordings, the ones from Brussels.

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G. String

Quote from: Holden on June 13, 2014, 02:33:21 PM
Arrau is too fussy in this music for me to even consider him. As I've said previously I don't like Chopin with an overdose of rubato and that describes the Arrau (and others).

I agree. Arrau's approach to Nocturnes is over-emphatic and tiresome.

king ubu

What do you guys mean by "fussy"? Looking up the word in dictionaries doesn't really help much. If "fussy" is used as over-exact, too careful, then tell me how "too much rubato" goes together with that? Not sure what other possible meanings of "fussy" would imply with regard to Arrau's interpretation of Chopin's Nocturnes ... fancy? complicated? finicky? scrupulous? Please enlighten me  :)
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Drasko

Quote from: king ubu on June 16, 2014, 03:50:10 AM
What do you guys mean by "fussy"? Looking up the word in dictionaries doesn't really help much. If "fussy" is used as over-exact, too careful, then tell me how "too much rubato" goes together with that? Not sure what other possible meanings of "fussy" would imply with regard to Arrau's interpretation of Chopin's Nocturnes ... fancy? complicated? finicky? scrupulous? Please enlighten me  :)

Can't speak for others, for me fussy is such attention to detail which disrupts overall architecture and especially flow.

As for favorite nocturnes cycle definitely Rubinstein, but one of the earlier sets , let's say '49/50 one.

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Drasko on June 16, 2014, 03:57:38 AM
Can't speak for others, for me fussy is such attention to detail which disrupts overall architecture and especially flow.

As for favorite nocturnes cycle definitely Rubinstein, but one of the earlier sets , let's say '49/50 one.

Good to see you again, Drasko  :)

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