Eating meat/Cruelty to animals

[mn dave]

What are your views on this topic? I live with periodic guilt eating meat but it would be difficult I think to switch at this point. When you read about how our food animals are treated, it's rather disturbing. Also, some say it's healthier to be vegan.

[Jay F]

What are your views on this topic? I live with periodic guilt eating meat but it would be difficult I think to switch at this point. When you read about how our food animals are treated, it's rather disturbing. Also, some say it's healthier to be vegan.

I could probably be vegetarian -- I already don't eat much meat -- but I like fish, and would miss cheese and ice cream too much to go further than that.

[Karl Henning]

The meat we shop for, we get at Whole Foods in hope that they mean their locally raised, humanely treated "Animal Welfare Standards" schtick.  We won't ever buy meat at a supermarket where "we don't know where it's been."  It's not a particular economic hardship, since we probably eat less meat than most of our neighbors, on average.

Like Jay, we eat lots of vegetables.

[mn dave]

I could probably be vegetarian -- I already don't eat much meat -- but I like fish, and would miss cheese and ice cream too much to go further than that.

Yeah, I suppose fake cheese and ice cream wouldn't be the same. Anytime I've tried substitutes (I had some vegan friends), I wasn't impressed.

[mn dave]

Like Jay, we eat lots of vegetables.

I have fruit every morning, but yeah, we need to eat more vegetables.

[Jay F]

I eat a salad, or something salad-esque, every day. Lately, I've been chopping tomatoes and Hatch chilies for salsa, which I mainly eat with eggs (plus a bit of cheddar and sour cream). Eating corn makes me feel bloated, so I don't eat chips. I probably haven't eaten meat since Sunday, when I had a burger at a restaurant. I don't like to cook meat at home, except for braising.

[mn dave]

Back in the nineties when I was losing some weight I ate a bag of veggies for lunch every day for a while there.

I eat way too much meat probably. My doctor even said I shouldn't eat a lot of red meat, but I do.

[Karl Henning]

I eat a salad, or something salad-esque, every day. Lately, I've been chopping tomatoes and Hatch chilies for salsa, which I mainly eat with eggs (plus a bit of cheddar and sour cream). Eating corn makes me feel bloated, so I don't eat chips. I probably haven't eaten meat since Sunday, when I had a burger at a restaurant. I don't like to cook meat at home, except for braising.

A tuna steak poaches in water very nicely.

[Karl Henning]

Human beings have hunted and killed in 1 form or another since the very beginning .. it is in our instincts to do so.

There have been humans who have hunted and killed "since the very beginning," sure.  Neither activity is "instinctual" to me, so . . .

You keep using that word;  I do not think it means what you think it means.

Your irrelevant preamble aside, the present state of indecent "mass-farming" is a very modern, and inhuman, development.  Hence the point of the OP.  Oh, another point you missed?  Bingo!

[mn dave]

Yes, what they do to the animals in these processes is very disturbing.  (replying to Karl)

[Jay F]

A tuna steak poaches in water very nicely.

I often poach salmon that way, with the addition of some peppercorns, lemon juice, and dill. Do you take the tuna out before it's fully cooked? I so love seared, rare/raw tuna. I've never thought to poach it.

[Karl Henning]

Yes, what they do to the animals in these processes is very disturbing.  (replying to Karl)

Viscerally disturbing.

I often poach salmon that way, with the addition of some peppercorns, lemon juice, and dill. Do you take the tuna out before it's fully cooked? I so love seared, rare/raw tuna. I've never thought to poach it.

It cooks fully in about 15 minutes;  I don't think I'd mind pulling it at about the 10-min. mark, but the missus does like the fish cooked thoroughly.

[mn dave]

Viscerally disturbing.

Especially the cold disregard for their pain and suffering. At least hunters attempt a clean kill--I assume.

[mn dave]

Have you ever hunted or fished?

I was forced to fish when younger, yes.

[Karl Henning]

I was forced to fish when younger, yes.

Hah!  Similarly, I did a (very) little fishing when a boy.  Somehow, I never thought, "Man, this is just what my instincts have been telling me all along I have wanted to do!!" 

[mn dave]

Hah!  Similarly, I did a (very) little fishing when a boy.  Somehow, I never thought, "Man, this is just what my instincts have been telling me all along I have wanted to do!!" 

Yeah, I loved being dragged out of bed at 4 AM.

[Jay F]

I worry sometimes about what "cage free" really means, when it comes to eggs.

[Karl Henning]

I worry sometimes about what "cage free" really means, when it comes to eggs.

On one hand, I use Egg Beaters;  on the other, I don't know the provenance of the eggs they use . . . .

[bwv 1080]

If the good Lord did not want us to eat animals he would not have made them out of meat

[Gurn Blanston]

If the good Lord did not want us to eat animals he would not have made them out of meat

Roger that.