Grow Up!!: ROCK IS DEAD (1969-1976)

[snyprrr]

I'm sure I feel the same way about Gene Simmons that I can only guess most of you do. However, his whiney rant... at the HuffP?... certainly declares the state of the Music Biz as it appears to be- only wish this would have come quicker since I was one of those who eagerly ate it up and wasted my life wanting to be something that was never going to happen.

He didn't say anything that I would consider a thinking person could critique, but the Comments were filled with Jack Black-styled 'Murica Rocks quotes that only highlighted Simmons's points.

It basically boiled down to file sharing for him, and the fact that the Entitled don't feel that - music at least (creativity in general?)- is THEIRS, they deserve it, and the people how slave for it don't really appear to deserve getting paid for it.

That, and Nirvana. He thinks Nirvana Killed Rock. I suppose...

Either way, the enormous amount of Rock-based Threads on THIS Forum - most all it immortalizing music 40 years old- seem to make the point that grown men aren't going to get their fix from some Newbeatles, NewDylan, NewU2--- IT'S OVER.

OVER.

That's why you get to have the old 'Zeppelin'... cause there's NEVER going to be a new one... ever. It's done. Over. Grow Up



It was made for YOU- when you were young.


THEN---- not now.



Sorry, the Music Biz is ONLY for mass control and diversion now- it's part of Homeland Security--- for the greater good the youngsters must be pumped with mindless party music so they don't rise up out of their bleak non-existent future.


Are we all in agreement on this--- here at GMG???

If you bring up some "niche" point, that's not really what is being discussed- there are no more Icons- never will be---- I'm sorry my computy won't allows me to link (OS under higher management).


Go buy your Can--- you're not getting any more

[snyprrr]

Keep in mind- ANY Iconic Group that still has at least ONE member still living IS STILL TOURING!! They're STILL getting all the ticket $$$. Not your band. And you never will.

[Todd]

Nah, rock ain't dead, not yet.  But if it does die, so what?

[Gurn Blanston]

I'm sure I feel the same way about Gene Simmons that I can only guess most of you do. However, his whiney rant... at the HuffP?... certainly declares the state of the Music Biz as it appears to be- only wish this would have come quicker since I was one of those who eagerly ate it up and wasted my life wanting to be something that was never going to happen.

He didn't say anything that I would consider a thinking person could critique, but the Comments were filled with Jack Black-styled 'Murica Rocks quotes that only highlighted Simmons's points.

It basically boiled down to file sharing for him, and the fact that the Entitled don't feel that - music at least (creativity in general?)- is THEIRS, they deserve it, and the people how slave for it don't really appear to deserve getting paid for it.

That, and Nirvana. He thinks Nirvana Killed Rock. I suppose...

Either way, the enormous amount of Rock-based Threads on THIS Forum - most all it immortalizing music 40 years old- seem to make the point that grown men aren't going to get their fix from some Newbeatles, NewDylan, NewU2--- IT'S OVER.

OVER.

That's why you get to have the old 'Zeppelin'... cause there's NEVER going to be a new one... ever. It's done. Over. Grow Up



It was made for YOU- when you were young.


THEN---- not now.



Sorry, the Music Biz is ONLY for mass control and diversion now- it's part of Homeland Security--- for the greater good the youngsters must be pumped with mindless party music so they don't rise up out of their bleak non-existent future.


Are we all in agreement on this--- here at GMG???

If you bring up some "niche" point, that's not really what is being discussed- there are no more Icons- never will be---- I'm sorry my computy won't allows me to link (OS under higher management).


Go buy your Can--- you're not getting any more

Sure, I agree. I realized it 30 years ago, when you were just a lad. That's why I left it behind and moved on from Old Wave and New Wave to  'Permanent Wave'.

Really, I don't think most of the discussion about it here is more than nostalgia. People are entitled to be nostalgic. They are also entitled to be in denial over impending (or achieved) maturity.

[mn dave]

This is a total troll thread so I will not post in it.

Oops.

[Oh, and "certain type of music" equals "certain maturity level" is bullshit.]

Okay, I'm done here.

[Gurn Blanston]

This is a total troll thread so I will not post in it.

Oops.

[Oh, and "certain type of music" equals "certain maturity level" is bullshit.]

Okay, I'm done here.

Even trolls need some help from the big kids sometimes.   

[snyprrr]

Even trolls need some help from the big kids sometimes.   

"I'm your son!"

This is a total troll thread so I will not post in it.

Oops.

[Oh, and "certain type of music" equals "certain maturity level" is bullshit.]

Okay, I'm done here.

NOOOT a Troll Thread, thank you!!

The guy I'm sure we're all friends with, GENE SIMMONS, was ACTUALLY telling The Truth- in his own special way of course- but, there are so many points brought out- I KNOW he's leaving oodles out, but the missing pieces can be filled in. (Now please, I'm not at my best at the current moment, rough day)

1) Most ALL the Iconic Entertainers (for lack of a better word) were produced during a... mm... 40 year period... during a time, as GS points out, when it was actually still possible to Do It Baby! To the world at large (and I think GS was speaking in a "worldly" manner, meaning, he was looking at this from the Mass, Business context- and how it relates to dollars + kids) NIRVANA was the last Rock Band, and GS argues that their whole DIY thing destroyed the will of the public to pay for music. (now movies)

2) FRANKLY PLEASE SOMEONE LINK THE HUFF P ARTICLE??? I'M TIIIRED


Can you deny the Death of the Creative Artist? (as it related to the History of Pop As We Know It?)


(I'm sorry, I feel a Rant coming on- I can't do this)

3) I don't want to think about old people having sex, or listening to AC/DC.



I MEAN- Gene Simmons is STILL working- Vegas- (and I'm not stroking him- I'm just saying that so many of his kind AREN'T still playing, doing not as well- he's "working"- because it IS work), Stones, Fleetwood Mac- they all can still work if they want to, and no one wants to see "your band" any more- they can "take" anything they want. All those Stars can still make a LIVING as a Musician, but, what he's saying is that the Opportunities for Normal People to Break Into the Biz is ... I guess he's saying Absolute Zero. You WILL do what grey-hairs tell you, period.


I mean, yea, Gurn, this isn't really a Controversy.

And, Dave, I didn't mean anything about not being able to enjoy a rockin' tune- 'Nobody's Fault' Aerosmith- but there's never ever going to be a PROTEST Band or any IMPORTANT Message Band or any such thing ever again- if the world itself hasn't become Communo-Fascist, the Biz certainly has. I mean, really, Death Metal Bands with a Pepsi Backdrop? THAT'S WHAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT back then... wans't it? Fuck the Man??? No??? Did I miss the paper on that?


excuse me... I think I just had a falashbaccck... waiiiit....


ok


so, what was I saying?

There won't be any Rage Against the Machine whilst Obama is President. And I don't mean that pergoritavely(wtf?) It's just true... know what I mean? The music listener is a Tool in the Hands of the Musical Oligar3hs

DANGER WILL NEVER RETURN, that's the point. Danger to THEM will never return.

[snyprrr]

Again, this was an interview with Gene Simmons in which - in his supreme dick fashion- he laid out the Reality of the Modern Pop Music Business. I just thought it was spot on- I mean, trust me, I'm no fan of the man or his opinions- it's just this time his love of telling bad news was what it was.

(btw- Country stole the drums from Rock anyway)

[Mirror Image]

While in some respects I think there's not many interesting rock bands out there, this doesn't diminish what I think about rock music in general. There's always going to be bands that strive to be Top 40, fly-by-night cash cows while there are other bands who are more interested in making a musical statement and striving for something that is meaningful and touches people. Unfortunately, in our current society, these Top 40 cash cow bands have been running rampant for far too long, but I think if anyone is interested in what could constitute as good rock music, then they'll dig deeper into the underground scene. All good rock bands that have made a name for themselves because of stellar musicianship started on the bottom and a lot of times these bands with strong artistic merit never make it. Today, it seems like it's a lot harder for bands that have a more original style to make any kind of breakthrough.

[Karl Henning]

snypsss, you actually read something which Gene Simmons is alleged to have written?  You've got me worried, fella . . . .

[Karl Henning]

Really, I don't think most of the discussion about it here is more than nostalgia. People are entitled to be nostalgic. They are also entitled to be in denial over impending (or achieved) maturity.

Ah, that must be it:  our snypsss is nostalgic for Gene Simmons.  Chacun à son goût!

[mn dave]

Again, this was an interview with Gene Simmons in which - in his supreme dick fashion- he laid out the Reality of the Modern Pop Music Business. I just thought it was spot on- I mean, trust me, I'm no fan of the man or his opinions- it's just this time his love of telling bad news was what it was.

(btw- Country stole the drums from Rock anyway)

Oh, you're talking about the music business. Poor music business...

Meanwhile, hundreds of rock albums are released each year and the fans can keep tabs on their favorite new bands through the internet and rock magazines.

[snyprrr]

Oh, you're talking about the music business. Poor music business...

Meanwhile, hundreds of rock albums are released each year and the fans can keep tabs on their favorite new bands through the internet and rock magazines.

where they will download it for FREE- the point of the article somewhat-

I'm assuming (from the article's POV) that all those hundreds of bands sell a FEW copies ("few"- let's be clear what we mean- I'm saying "relatively") and then POOF!! the band is gone and has 666 fans to lament its passing-

yea, if I want to be a god to 153 people, I'm sure it can be done- but that won't pay for carpel tunnel surgery or ---- aaaarrrgggghh- (sorry!)

snypsss, you actually read something which Gene Simmons is alleged to have written?  You've got me worried, fella . . . .

NOW I'VE GOT YA!! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

Even a Liar is telling the truth when you know what he's Lying about

Gene Simmons was born Chaim Witz, an Israeli. Hopefully I can bring that up without getting any blowback- eh? Maybe he just understands the music business insiders like others don't?

Ah, that must be it:  our snypsss is nostalgic for Gene Simmons.  Chacun à son goût!

yes, of course that's it how can I be nostalgic for someone who just.won't.leave.??  just.won't.retire.


OF COURSE- the part of the interview that DIDN'T get brought up was Kiss's participation of this destruction. I looked it up---- I believe the year was 1977... the had a huuuge double live album, the 2nd. sold out shows- great spectacle, etc.,.... (I'm just telling you what my great-grandchildren are telling,,... hrr hmmm ))

Then came the 'Jump the Shark' moment- with the Four Solo Albums (because of the burgeoning Rock Ego Syndrome which was also the cause of the Death of Rock)--- they were still Big, but the public didn't seem to like the flavour....

THEN-... gulp.... "The Hottest Band in World" put out a DISCO SONG!!!    I believes it was 1979


THEN came a.... gawwuff... a Concept Album, 'The Elder'.... 1981?

When they returned a "Rock Band" again with their next album (I believe---uh 'Creatures of the Night') I believe the Cycle had been completed---- they had done the thing you don't do--- and dared to come back--- unrepentant--- and have continued to WORK and CHUUURN out soul destroying pube-e-lum for what (saying 1984)... 30 MORE YEARS!!!!!


that doesn't happen unless you've sold your very soul to those same grey-haired board members--- so, ultimately, they have themselves to blame for their part in the great slide towards gemmorah (gammera??)

Sure, I thought they wrote a few cool GLAM ROCK Songs--- nuthin wrong wit dat--- but, their trajectory shows pretty well what happens when all you can do is "rock out".--- the songwriting stullifies (even in the interview GS benoams the loss of the general art of songwriting- though I don't think he's pointing that laser beam at himself, oy vey (he is SOOOOO bad, I mean, really!!)




anyhow- I don't know who else could have had this interview---

[snyprrr]

1975

I'm going to pre-empt all y'all and declare 1975 as the Year Rock Died. The Eagles were in the midst of the World's First Ever WORLD TOUR of the kind that would make the '80s famous.

The thing was, The Eagles acted like such coke-out assholes that Real People were turned off... Punk was born as the hypocricy (flippin spellcheck) of their Folk-Music-meets-Asshat cognitive dissonance  reached critical mass.

I remember forgetting, and thinking 'Stairway to Heaven' came out in 1974-5, when it actually came out in... uh... 1970?


ROCK MUSIC (1969-1976) R.I.P.

[mn dave]

Money comes from touring and merch.

Tell these guys it's dead...

[Karl Henning]

"Do 'Freebird'!"

[mn dave]

"Do 'Freebird'!"

That is Wacken 2014. I doubt anyone was asking for "Freebird".

[Karl Henning]

That is Wacken 2014. I doubt anyone was asking for "Freebird".

Maybe that horror has at last been eradicated!

[mn dave]

Not a Southern rock fan, eh?

How about "Stairway to Heaven"?

[Karl Henning]

I'm sure there's likeable Southern Rock ("Sharp-Dressed Man"?), but if I never hear "Freebird" again, I can be a happy man.  Happier 'n a tick on a dog's ear.