21st century horror, your top picks ?

[James]

21st century horror cinema, your top 5 ?

[snyprrr]

21st century horror cinema, your top 5 ?

WOW! You were bored!!


Me, I'm totally not into what Horror has become. If one film does something cool (the ghost from 'The Ring' or 'The Grudge'), then eeeveryone is using that technique. Not saying it hasn't happened before, but it's just not working for me anymore. CGI killed it ALL. Remember the ;80s 'The Thing'- real special effects?

I do like the 'Saw' franchise, a great Giallo concept.


awright,... I'll play...

[snyprrr]

But Wait!!

Where's 'A Serbian Film'?


btw- should've picked 'Ishi'...'Audition'...


You ARE missing some of the most extreme... there's a YT video guy... search for "Most Disturbing Films" and look for the overview.




As the world gets more stupid, however, the actual genre of Supernatural Horror gets worse and worse. People just can't seem to come up with plausible scenarios anymore- ... all those new 'exorcist' and 'haunted house' movies are all uniformly pretty lame, imo.


Yea, you need to beef up that list with some more extreme stuff... 'Murder-Set-Pieces'... some nasty stuff...


(can I even form a complete sentence anymore???)

[escher]

But Wait!!

Where's 'A Serbian Film'?

...
You ARE missing some of the most extreme.

I don't think that any of those extreme horrors (Martyrs, A serbian film, August underground and stuff like that) belongs to the list of the best horrors. At least for what I've seen.

[NLK1971]

btw- should've picked 'Ishi'...'Audition'...

Not so fast... Auditiion was released in 1999.

I'd probably go for Wolf Creek, Suicide Club (Japanese) and A Tale of Two Sisters (Korean).
While not exactly a horror film, this one is quite disturbing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_(2011_Austrian_film)

[ibanezmonster]

So Salo is supposed to be the most disturbing film ever? Anyone watch it?

[snyprrr]

So Salo is supposed to be the most disturbing film ever? Anyone watch it?

Yea,- it sure looks like that one kid gets shot... when they bust down the bedroom door... it really looks like a real bullet hole being made on the spot. I dunno.

Besides that, there's mm mm real shit eating, probably real rape, maybe real burnings... the point is, you're supposed to believe (based on every documented source) that "what you see on screen is really what was going on". I just can't tell whether this means a) he's just depicting real events that happened during WWII (based on every documented source), or that, b) he's really raping his cast (probably).most likely definitively.

Yea, you really can't get around 'Salo', Greg, or 'The Holy Mountain'/'El Topo'... you haaave to check 'em out. Will it change your view on life? mm... I mean, can we just call 'Salo', 'The Men Behind the Sun', and 'Come & See' "THE WAR HORRORS"-

I mean, if one man goes crazy and kills some people, they call THAT a 'Horror Film'. Used to be, if there was a supernatural element that was explained away at the end as a trick, they called THAT a 'Horror Film' (see the 1940s).


generally:

'Terror Film'- is meant in the way that a home invasion terrorizes you, or in the 'human on human' violence that people are capable of- maybe Slashers are really 'Terror' movies and not 'Horror' movies.

'Horror Film'- obviously includes all supernatural elements 9then where is 'Fantasy'??), and all 'human on human' terrors which go far above and beyond what normal 'Terror' is... see 'The Human Centipede'.


drrrrr... I don't know, THESE DAYS genres have all been inbreeding so much, who knows what's what?

[ibanezmonster]

I might have to watch Salo just for how extreme it is...

In the near future, though, people will probably laugh at how 2D movies made people scared. I think VR will be the future of movies, but also of games- last night when I was playing this game, "Mental Torment," the experience of being dropped off in the middle of the ocean in an opening cage right next to a shark was probably the worst 20 seconds of my life. Of course, it really depends on the person. I was walking around in dark hallways with bloodstained walls, faulty lighting and random serial killer freaks that pop up right in front of you. It didn't affect me despite the realism because I just find that type of stuff amusing, but I would never let someone with heart problems play such a game.


Going to see if I can get this working:

https://www.youtube.com/v/mYvewljW7Lg

[snyprrr]

I don't think that any of those extreme horrors (Martyrs, A serbian film, August underground and stuff like that) belongs to the list of the best horrors. At least for what I've seen.

Now, you can't really lump the New French Extremity with 'August Underground', can you? 'Martyrs' is a "Horror Film's Horror Film"... have you seen it? And you wouldn't call it a Horror Film in a line from Scream-to-Saw-to-Martyrs???

please--- I want to make a point--- which I tend to lose--- so, bear with me---

"The New Extremity IS the New Horror"

Just like how Country Music stole the drums from Rock Music, and now there is no Rock, so also has this 'New Attitude Towards Horror' rendered much Horror convention campy to the extreme ('Underground

fuck- I don't know what I'm talking about. Let's try another approach...



a) TRADITIONAL HORROR--- utilizing 'monster' archetypes to make an allegory- 'Underworld' and 'Blade' and 'zombie films' are great ways of explaining, without getting oneself into too much trouble, how 'The Man' keeps us down (vampires = bankers, etc...... zombies = the great unwashed masses)


b) 'ENTERTAINING' TRADITIONAL HORROR--- by 'entertainment' we mean "fear inducing". This includes the horror-for-horror's-sake of 'Haunted House' and 'Excorcist'... wait... they can be politco-religious as well....


c) NEW EXTREME HORROR--- almost all of the New Extremity is HUMAN based, meaning, there's no Supernatural element- it's just 'Human Horror'... but that has never been a rreason not to call something 'Horror' (see 'Psycho').





I'm sorry-- that was truly stupid and awful.... how can I defend 'Martyrs', and to a lesser degree 'A Serbian Film' and tell naysayers that they're every bit 'The Exorcist'? Perhaps it's because "The Exorcist' makes one scared to go upstairs, but 'Martyrs' makes one depressed, and think?


What are you saying is Horror that has staying power, then?? I don't understand how one can diminish, especially these two films, the impact of this New Generation (I'm including Wan)... and please, understand, I personally believe we're in an historic Horror slump- The Great Depression of Horror Films. Frankly, the films that are being passed off as our yearly 'Horror Films' ('Carrie', 'Underworld' franchise, 'Van Helsing', 'Jennifer's Body') are just utter retreads, with CGI-- WE NEED THIS "OTHER" HORROR because the 'Hollywood Horror' (Republicans) is acting just like a Rom-Com (Democrats)- you can't tell the difference anymore.


'Underworld' franchise = vampires (Fascists/Republicans) vs. werewolves (Communists/Democrats), but YOU are still the food for BOTH!!!


The Brits usually cloak their Horror in some political allegory; US not so much.










anyhow, sorry for this tired re.... (sorry, phone)..... yea, don't read this Post, thank you....

I might have to watch Salo just for how extreme it is...

In the near future, though, people will probably laugh at how 2D movies made people scared. I think VR will be the future of movies, but also of games- last night when I was playing this game, "Mental Torment," the experience of being dropped off in the middle of the ocean in an opening cage right next to a shark was probably the worst 20 seconds of my life. Of course, it really depends on the person. I was walking around in dark hallways with bloodstained walls, faulty lighting and random serial killer freaks that pop up right in front of you. It didn't affect me despite the realism because I just find that type of stuff amusing, but I would never let someone with heart problems play such a game.


Going to see if I can get this working:

https://www.youtube.com/v/mYvewljW7Lg

that's why 2D is still scary, cause there's 3D that's not

[Mirror Image]

I'm afraid the greatest horror films belong to the 60s, 70s, 80s, and early 90s. IMHO. My top five horror films:

1. Hellraiser
2. A Nightmare On Elm Street III: Dream Warriors
3. Poltergeist
4. It
5. The Shining (Kubrick)

[ibanezmonster]

I thought The Ring was a cool movie. The Shining is good, too.

My favorite thing that could be classified as "horror" would easily be Elfen Lied. But it's more of the cathartic type of horror. Actually, it's the most cathartic thing you'll ever watch.

Watching episode 1 will give you an idea if you like the show or not. There's plenty of brutality straight away, but later episodes really go to the deepest, darkest recesses of the human mind. There's no poop eating, but stuff I've heard about the most extreme movies doing is done here, and it's portrayed in the saddest way possible. The difference between this show and movies that are made just to shock is that this is a masterpiece while at the same time being as messed up as possible.

https://www.youtube.com/v/Q_GUgpOPae0

that's why 2D is still scary, cause there's 3D that's not

What are you talking about? You haven't even tried out 3D horror. 

Just played some of Dreadhalls a few minutes ago. There's a huge difference between watching someone in a horror experience and actually feeling like you are the person inside the horror experience.

[Mirror Image]

No matter how old I get, I'm still scared of Freddy Krueger. I think the fact that he was more of a psychological type of horror villain really gave him an edge over slashers like Leatherface, Jason, and Michael Myers. Another horror villain that still creeps me out is Pinhead.

[escher]

Perhaps it's because "The Exorcist' makes one scared to go upstairs, but 'Martyrs' makes one depressed, and think?

I had that effect watching Salò or Stroszek  (or to mention some horror titles, "tras el cristal/In a glass cage", or Der Todesking), Martyrs to me is just an unsubtle exploitation movie with a patinated photography.
And I've nothing against extremism, for me works like Salò or Pink Flamingos are great movies.

[escher]

So Salo is supposed to be the most disturbing film ever? Anyone watch it?

if you expect a lot of exploitation, actually you don't see a lot of things. What makes it disturbing is his heavy deadly atmosphere and obviously the fact that it's not entertainment at all, it's a meditation on the role of power.

[ZauberdrachenNr.7]

The 21st Century is a horror.  (ok, worse than previous ones?  too soon to tell, it's still a young'un.)

[ZauberdrachenNr.7]

Hey, you forgot the Lost Skeleton of Cadavra - "the day the earth was disembowled in terror!".  Filmed in skeletorama, it's something that should not to be missed.  Unless you have a heart condition, of course.

[ZauberdrachenNr.7]

Life that rough for ya, eh? 

For me, personally, no - but the weight of the world...

[ZauberdrachenNr.7]

Right. Top 5 horror cinema of the 21st century? 

Wasn't going to vote initially outta respect for Caligari and Co. and the many that came before.  (I think silent films offer a dimension to horror I prefer - a perspective Buffy creator, Joss Whedon used - I think brilliantly - in a singular episode of that series:  "Hush").   Speaking of which, his Cabin in the Woods is one of my five, if not my topmost in your list; it's multi-dimensional, inter-textual, and a scathing dig at contemporary Hollywood Horror.  Really first rate, imho.  Some other films I enjoyed, sometimes despite myself :  Drag me to Hell; The Ring; American Psycho and my wife would be unhappy if I didn't add Shaun, though she liked it much better than I did.

[snyprrr]

Hey, you forgot the Lost Skeleton of Cadavra - "the day the earth was disembowled in terror!".  Filmed in skeletorama, it's something that should not to be missed.  Unless you have a heart condition, of course.

a great love letter to the '50s, yes!!

[escher]

a couple of titles I would add to the list: Cigarette burns and Triangle.