Six (now eight) favourite fourth symphonies

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SymphonicAddict

#60
March 03, 2019, 01:04:35 PM Last Edit: March 03, 2019, 01:17:18 PM by SymphonicAddict
One of the most stunning 4th symphonies I've listened to recently is that by John Kinsella. Yesterday I played it once again and simply I can't get enough of it. It's decidedly sensational, impressive, eloquent, with plenty of momentum. I don't intend to point out it's derivative by saying I hear echoes from some of my favorite symphonists on it (Sibelius, Tubin, Rosenberg, Simpson), but I do feel that nordic feel to it that appeals to me so much.

Alek Hidell

#61
March 03, 2019, 05:25:06 PM
In no particular order, except probably the first one ...

Braga Santos
Shostakovich
Brahms
Mahler
Sibelius

... and after this it gets tougher. Maybe Martinů, maybe Schumann, maybe Bruckner. Beethoven wouldn't be out of the question, nor Ives.
"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a communist." - Hélder Pessoa Câmara

vandermolen

#62
March 04, 2019, 03:52:37 AM
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on March 03, 2019, 01:04:35 PM
One of the most stunning 4th symphonies I've listened to recently is that by John Kinsella. Yesterday I played it once again and simply I can't get enough of it. It's decidedly sensational, impressive, eloquent, with plenty of momentum. I don't intend to point out it's derivative by saying I hear echoes from some of my favorite symphonists on it (Sibelius, Tubin, Rosenberg, Simpson), but I do feel that nordic feel to it that appeals to me so much.
Oh yes, it's a terrific work Cesar. I find the return of the 'prevailing wind' motto theme at the end to be overwhelming. Thanks for mentioning it.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Brahmsian

#63
March 04, 2019, 04:33:08 AM Last Edit: March 04, 2019, 09:36:37 AM by ChamberNut
Shostakovich
Dvořák
Bruckner
Sibelius
Schumann
Schubert

In order.

SymphonicAddict

#64
March 04, 2019, 09:17:49 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on March 04, 2019, 03:52:37 AM
Oh yes, it's a terrific work Cesar. I find the return of the 'prevailing wind' motto theme at the end to be overwhelming. Thanks for mentioning it.

Overwhelming indeed! It's been another discovery for me thank this great forum!

SymphonicAddict

#65
March 04, 2019, 09:18:11 AM
Quote from: ChamberNut on March 04, 2019, 04:33:08 AM
Shostakovich
Dvořák
Bruckner
Sibelius
Schumann

In order.

Just five?

Brahmsian

#66
March 04, 2019, 09:36:14 AM
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on March 04, 2019, 09:18:11 AM
Just five?

Oh, my mistake.  Then I would add Schubert's 4th.

vandermolen

#67
March 05, 2019, 05:17:41 AM
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on March 04, 2019, 09:17:49 AM
Overwhelming indeed! It's been another discovery for me thank this great forum!
:)
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Christo

#68
March 05, 2019, 05:34:22 AM
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on March 04, 2019, 09:17:49 AM
Overwhelming indeed! It's been another discovery for me thank this great forum!
The same happened to me, more than ten years ago, when I joined this costly forum. AFAIK and if I recall correctly, it was Jeffrey who came up with this obscurest of composers from a no-Brexit isle. In another obsessive fad I bought all other Kinsella cd's a couple of years ago. He has cost me more money than anyone else in this forum.  :laugh:

... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

vandermolen

#69
March 05, 2019, 11:27:46 AM
Quote from: Christo on March 05, 2019, 05:34:22 AM
The same happened to me, more than ten years ago, when I joined this costly forum. AFAIK and if I recall correctly, it was Jeffrey who came up with this obscurest of composers from a no-Brexit isle. In another obsessive fad I bought all other Kinsella cd's a couple of years ago. He has cost me more money than anyone else in this forum.  :laugh:

He was also responsible for the kindest response to my unsolicited fan mail (and then he organised two CDs of music by Irish composers to be sent to me). What happened was I read a review in Gramophone of the Marco-Polo disc which compared his music to Lilburn and Tubin, both composers I really like. I thought I can't resist this! In fact Kinsella's music is quite different in many respects but he has been a great discovery. He has cost me quite a lot of money as well.
:)
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

SymphonicAddict

#70
March 05, 2019, 12:23:08 PM
Quote from: Christo on March 05, 2019, 05:34:22 AM
The same happened to me, more than ten years ago, when I joined this costly forum. AFAIK and if I recall correctly, it was Jeffrey who came up with this obscurest of composers from a no-Brexit isle. In another obsessive fad I bought all other Kinsella cd's a couple of years ago. He has cost me more money than anyone else in this forum.  :laugh:


Quote from: vandermolen on March 05, 2019, 11:27:46 AM
He was also responsible for the kindest response to my unsolicited fan mail (and then he organised two CDs of music by Irish composers to be sent to me). What happened was I read a review in Gramophone of the Marco-Polo disc which compared his music to Lilburn and Tubin, both composers I really like. I thought I can't resist this! In fact Kinsella's music is quite different in many respects but he has been a great discovery. He has cost me quite a lot of money as well.
:)

But that investment is worth every cent, I guess  ;)

Christo

#71
March 05, 2019, 01:23:23 PM
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on March 05, 2019, 12:23:08 PM
But that investment is worth every cent, I guess  ;)
Symphonies Nos. 3, 4, 6, and 7 are simply great and I really enjoy No. 9 and also 10. One of the very best symphonic cycles that I know (the shorter answer is: yes).  8)
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

vandermolen

#72
March 05, 2019, 02:17:53 PM
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on March 05, 2019, 12:23:08 PM
But that investment is worth every cent, I guess  ;)
Most definitely!  :)
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vandermolen

#73
October 27, 2020, 04:55:32 AM Last Edit: October 27, 2020, 04:58:16 AM by vandermolen
You can now choose eight  ;D

Braga Santos

Shostakovich

Bate

Bax

Rubbra

Salmenhaara

Tubin

David Diamond

Oh dear, I forgot Kinsella - so, you can have a bonus choice as well but not more than nine.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

kyjo

#74
October 27, 2020, 07:54:23 AM
Braga Santos
Brahms
Bruckner
Lloyd
Magnard
Nielsen
Shostakovich
Tubin
"Music is enough for a lifetime, but a lifetime is not enough for music" - Sergei Rachmaninoff

Christo

#75
October 27, 2020, 08:03:46 AM
Bate
Braga Santos
Gipps
Kinsella
Nielsen
Shostakovich
Tubin
Vaughan Williams
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

vandermolen

#76
October 27, 2020, 11:59:40 AM
Looking at Kyle's and Johan's list I feel bad about not including Gipps, Magnard and George lloyd  ::)
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Brian

#77
October 30, 2020, 08:24:30 PM Last Edit: October 30, 2020, 08:26:37 PM by Brian
Quote from: Brian on March 17, 2015, 01:00:45 PM
1. Brahms
2. Beethoven
3. Szymanowski
4. Tchaikovsky
5. Nielsen
6. Lloyd

EDIT: Aaaaagh forgot Nielsen!!!
EDIT 2: And Szymanowski!!!
Time to update:

1. Brahms
2. Tchaikovsky
3. Martinu
4. Nielsen
5. Mahler
6. Szymanowski
7. Beethoven
8. Schumann (original shorter version)

Bonus:
Six favorite individual movements from Fourth Symphonies!
1. Brahms 4.i
2. Mahler 4.iii
3. Martinu 4.ii
4. Dvorak 4.iii
5. Tchaikovsky 4.i
6. Szymanowski 4.iii

Holden

#78
October 30, 2020, 10:47:09 PM
In some sort of order of preference.

Mahler
Beethoven
Brahms
Tchaikovsky
Bruckner
Shostakovich

With the number of votes for the Nielsen, I must give it a listen. I've never heard any of his symphonies.
Cheers

Holden

vandermolen

#79
October 31, 2020, 12:17:44 AM
Quote from: Holden on October 30, 2020, 10:47:09 PM
In some sort of order of preference.

Mahler
Beethoven
Brahms
Tchaikovsky
Bruckner
Shostakovich

With the number of votes for the Nielsen, I must give it a listen. I've never heard any of his symphonies.
You might also like No.5 with its anarchic side-drummer as well as the enigmatic No.6
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).
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