Discovering Tom Waits

Started by Archaic Torso of Apollo, March 24, 2015, 07:39:58 PM

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Archaic Torso of Apollo



I was long aware of Tom Waits as that guy with the gruff voice and the hobo persona. I also knew that he worked with some high-class people like Gavin Bryars and Robert Wilson, and had seen him in a couple of films. However, only this year did I start exploring his music in a serious way.

So far I've been listening to the following albums:
Rain Dogs
Franks Wild Years
Swordfishtrombones
Closing Time


...while also YouTubing various individual songs, some in the original Waits versions, some covered by other performers.

My verdict: the guy is is a genius. No qualification necessary - he's one of the greatest singer-songwriters I've ever come across, up there with Dylan, Lennon/McCartney, and a few others. And he can assimilate a wider range of styles and inhabit more personas convincingly than any other "pop" musician I know. (I hesitate to use the term "pop" for him, it just doesn't seem to fit.) He's a true Great American Artist.

Credit for his songwriting genius also belongs to his wife Kathleen Brennan, who has been his collaborator since the 1980s. As I understand it, she got him sober and helped him re-invent himself musically, which is why he's had such a long run of success.

I know we have some Waits fans here, and I'm surprised he doesn't yet have his own thread. So I'm creating one, and I hope you'll join in. Meanwhile, I'm starting a musical love affair like the ones I've had with my favorite composers. Thoughts, suggestions, experiences - all welcome here.
formerly VELIMIR (before that, Spitvalve)

"Who knows not strict counterpoint, lives and dies an ignoramus" - CPE Bach

TheGSMoeller

#1
I have a list of three performers on my bucket list to see live...Bjork, Philip Glass and Tom Waits. Unfortunately Waits is the only name not crossed off, I missed a show in Dallas years ago by three days.
But yes, Waits is a unique talent, with a style and voice that has ranged, and transformed, over several decades.
All the albums mentioned above are incredible, unlike anything out there. I've long cited Frank's Wild Years as his overall best. I would like to add Bone Machine and Blood Money to the list as some of Waits more recent albums that have struck a chord with me.

Thanks for starting a thread, I'll frequent this one for sure.

chasmaniac

Let's put a new coat of paint on this lonesome old town...

I envy you the joy of discovery. I'm a longtime fan of his.
If I have exhausted the justifications, I have reached bedrock and my spade is turned. Then I am inclined to say: "This is simply what I do."  --Wittgenstein, PI §217

Drasko

I love Waits, and especially the period that you've been listening to, the 80s.

Wait's 70s albums, and there's been a few, have a number of great songs but his then straight balladeering with the piano/strings style is not something that I'm particularly interested most of the time.

His 80s sharp shift into some sort of grotesque cabaret style ( Kurt Weill + blues + some latin influences + folk + east European stuff) with experimental orchestrations and vocal delivery was what made me go wow, where did this come from (his wife most likely)! Incredible! That started with Swordfishtrombones (my favorite Waits album), then Rain Dogs, Frank's Wild Years, The Black Rider. All fantastic albums.

Haven't heard all of 90s and post 90s stuff, but I liked Bone Machine and Mule Variations even though I find them bit over-produced. His last album was also very good.
   

Karl Henning

Sobriety is the key!

Big fan of Rain Dogs and Swordfishtrombones.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Sef

May I also suggest:

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This is a favourute of mine. The guy is a genius.
"Do you think that I could have composed what I have composed, do you think that one can write a single note with life in it if one sits there and pities oneself?"

Bogey

#6
Quote from: Sef on March 25, 2015, 06:17:20 AM
May I also suggest:

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This is a favourute of mine. The guy is a genius.

And if you have Amazon Prime, this album is a free MP3 download.  Check that....not free, unless you play it in your library.
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Archaic Torso of Apollo

After I digest these first 4 albums, I'm planning to get others. Right now, these are the ones I'm looking at:

Small Change
Alice
Mule Variations
Blue Valentine


That should give me a good representation of both Waits Mark I (pre-Brennan) and Waits Mark II. So far I love both of them, but I can see how Mark I was becoming a dead end for him.
formerly VELIMIR (before that, Spitvalve)

"Who knows not strict counterpoint, lives and dies an ignoramus" - CPE Bach

AnthonyAthletic

Alice, is my favourite Tom Waites album.  Humour, happiness, melancholy & madness.  It really has everything.  A really beautiful album.

"Tell me, who puts flowers on a flowers grave"?, always brings a tear.

Fish and Bird, another beauty.... No duds on this album.

"Two possibilities exist: Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying"      (Arthur C. Clarke)

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Archaic Torso of Apollo on March 25, 2015, 07:22:06 AM
Small Change

Small Change includes one of my favorite Waits' songs in his maudlin, barfly mode: "Tom Traubert's Blues (Four Sheets to the Wind in Copenhagen)" ...it makes brilliant use of "Waltzing Matilda" (the song's about a night he spent with a woman actually named Matilda).

Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on March 25, 2015, 07:43:27 AM
Alice, is my favourite Tom Waites album.  Humour, happiness, melancholy & madness.  It really has everything.  A really beautiful album.

Alice is one of the few Waits' albums I don't own. I do like it's companion from 2002, Blood Money.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Archaic Torso of Apollo

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 25, 2015, 07:53:34 AM
Small Change includes one of my favorite Waits' songs in his maudlin, barfly mode: "Tom Traubert's Blues (Four Sheets to the Wind in Copenhagen)"

That's one of those great, heart-breaking songs from his early period, along with "Christmas Card from a Hooker in Minneapolis," "Kentucky Avenue," "Martha," and "Ruby's Arms." So far that's what I love most about his early work: that luxurious melancholia and sense of loss.
formerly VELIMIR (before that, Spitvalve)

"Who knows not strict counterpoint, lives and dies an ignoramus" - CPE Bach

chasmaniac

O man, Kentucky Ave...

QuoteThen we'll spit on Ronnie Arnold and flip him the bird
And slash the tires on the school bus now don't say a word
I'll take a rusty nail and scratch your initials in my arm
And I'll show you how to sneak up on the roof of the drugstore
I'll take the spokes from your wheelchair and a magpie's wings
And I'll tie em to your shoulders and your feet
I'll steal a hacksaw from my dad and cut the braces off your legs
And we'll bury them tonight out in the cornfield
If I have exhausted the justifications, I have reached bedrock and my spade is turned. Then I am inclined to say: "This is simply what I do."  --Wittgenstein, PI §217

Archaic Torso of Apollo

formerly VELIMIR (before that, Spitvalve)

"Who knows not strict counterpoint, lives and dies an ignoramus" - CPE Bach

Karl Henning

Separately, he is a wonderful on-screen element in Terry Gilliam's The Fisher King, and plays a major role in The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Archaic Torso of Apollo

Quote from: karlhenning on March 25, 2015, 09:01:22 AM
Separately, he is a wonderful on-screen element in Terry Gilliam's The Fisher King, and plays a major role in The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus.

I liked his performance in Jarmusch's Down by Law. In fact, viewing that film was the proximate cause of my current exploration, as it features 2 songs from Rain Dogs on the soundtrack.

He was also good in Altman's Short Cuts, but he didn't provide music for that one.
formerly VELIMIR (before that, Spitvalve)

"Who knows not strict counterpoint, lives and dies an ignoramus" - CPE Bach

Ken B

I agree. I'd say Waits is my favourite living non-classical musician.

Daverz

His first record is probably still my favorite:

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However, there's at least one Waits album that I find unlistenable:

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Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Daverz on March 25, 2015, 02:18:40 PM
His first record is probably still my favorite:

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That's his second record. Closing Time was his first.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Daverz

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 25, 2015, 02:33:28 PM
That's his second record. Closing Time was his first.

Ah, OK.  I really like that one, too, except that the Eagles ruined Ol' 55 for  me.   I'd say my second favorite is Small Change.

vandermolen

Tom Waits features on this album which is hypnotic, haunting and moving. Not to be missed:
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