What is it?

Started by Karl Henning, April 01, 2015, 04:04:17 AM

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Karl Henning

As a tangent to a post in another thread which spoke of some music which matters and some which does not . . . just what is it which makes music matter?
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

North Star

The listener (or score-reader. . .) - who can also be the one making the music.
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

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Florestan

Music which matters... to whom?

Music which doesn't matter... to whom?

Context is everything.  :D
"Great music is that which penetrates the ear with facility and leaves the memory with difficulty. Magical music never leaves the memory." — Thomas Beecham

Karl Henning

Quote from: North Star on April 01, 2015, 04:16:23 AM
The listener (or score-reader. . .) - who can also be the one making the music.

Yes;  and one reason why I doubt that there can be art that simply does not matter.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

North Star

Quote from: karlhenning on April 01, 2015, 04:18:29 AM
Yes;  and one reason why I doubt that there can be art that simply does not matter.
I don't think it could be called art if it didn't matter to anyone.
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

My photographs on Flickr

Florestan

Quote from: North Star on April 01, 2015, 04:27:36 AM
I don't think it could be called art if it didn't matter to anyone.

What is art, anyway?  ;D

"Great music is that which penetrates the ear with facility and leaves the memory with difficulty. Magical music never leaves the memory." — Thomas Beecham

San Antone

Quote from: karlhenning on April 01, 2015, 04:04:17 AM
As a tangent to a post in another thread which spoke of some music which matters and some which does not . . . just what is it which makes music matter?

First of all I reject the premise.  IMO all music matters; in fact everything matters: at some time, to someone, somewhere. 

Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: sanantonio on April 01, 2015, 04:37:21 AM
First of all I reject the premise.  IMO all music matters; in fact everything matters: at some time, to someone, somewhere. 

The existence of the object, then, is the matter.  So to speak.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Mirror Image

The title of the thread thread makes me think of this Faith No Moore song:

https://www.youtube.com/v/ZG_k5CSYKhg

Moonfish

This song is dedicated to the topic of this thread....

https://www.youtube.com/v/j0I2ZrBuFdQ
"Every time you spend money you are casting a vote for the kind of world you want...."
Anna Lappé

pjme

 Art?

To me , very often, it remains an

https://youtu.be/trkFgIMC-Ks


Karl Henning

Thanks everyone for your participation.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

EigenUser

Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

North Star

Quote from: pjme on April 03, 2015, 01:04:58 AM
Art?

To me , very often, it remains an

https://youtu.be/trkFgIMC-Ks
Nate didn't let this remain an unquestioned answer.
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

My photographs on Flickr

Purusha

Art in itself doesn't matter. Sometimes it can be used to express things from that which truly matters (the one thing useful), but in and of itself it has no value.

Karl Henning

"in and of itself it has no value":  isn't that true of everything?  "Value" is imposed by those who desire the commodity, yes?
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

jochanaan

What measure do we use to decide whether something matters?  Money?  "Bah!  Humbug!" 

Fulfilling a need in humankind?  That comes much closer.  Art is not food nor drink, without which our physical beings will wither and die; but it seems to fill a need in our spirits, so that without art (music, story, poetry, painting and sculpture, or whatever art may come along--video games seem to be a new art form), our spirits wither and die even while our bodies and minds still walk.  So, by that measure, art most definitely matters.

But the moment we begin to try to say "This art matters, this doesn't," we begin to insult, discriminate against or otherwise deny the value of something someone holds very dear, at least potentially.  So to say that any art does not matter is. as many have said, false on its face.  (Wellllllll, there is "art" produced for and by companies and corporations for the sole purpose of increasing sales and thereby profits, which tends to matter only to corporate bottom lines; that may be the closest we can come to defining a class of art that does not matter.)
Imagination + discipline = creativity

Florestan

Quote from: jochanaan on April 08, 2015, 08:20:15 AM
(Wellllllll, there is "art" produced for and by companies and corporations for the sole purpose of increasing sales and thereby profits, which tends to matter only to corporate bottom lines; that may be the closest we can come to defining a class of art that does not matter.)

Some examples of that, please.  :)
"Great music is that which penetrates the ear with facility and leaves the memory with difficulty. Magical music never leaves the memory." — Thomas Beecham

Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot