Countdown to Extinction: The 2016 Presidential Election

[Karl Henning]

In The Atlantic:

Not surprisingly, there is little indication that the Trump campaign believes rape culture is a legitimate phenomenon. The Republican nominee's campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, once said that "rape would not exist" if women were as physically strong as men, an argument that seems to suggest rape is the product of an innate impulse in all men and women's inherent weakness. Trump's campaign CEO Steve Bannon previously served as the executive chairman of Breitbart, a conservative website that references rape culture in quotation marks as if to suggest it does not actually exist.

[Brian]

Trump reportedly asked the crowd at a rally why nobody has ever accused Obama of sexual assault.

There's a pretty obvious answer, there...

[North Star]

Trump reportedly asked the crowd at a rally why nobody has ever accused Obama of sexual assault.

There's a pretty obvious answer, there...

I know! It's because he's a Muslim and he was still living in Africa at the time.

[Brian]

I know! It's because he's a Muslim and he was still living in Africa at the time.

And he sent all his victims to the death panels.

[Madiel]

Trump reportedly asked the crowd at a rally why nobody has ever accused Obama of sexual assault.

There's a pretty obvious answer, there...

Highlighting the fact that you want to replace someone whose moral character has never been questioned in that way doesn't seem like a smart move.

[zamyrabyrd]

In The Atlantic:

Not surprisingly, there is little indication that the Trump campaign believes rape culture is a legitimate phenomenon. The Republican nominee's campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, once said that "rape would not exist" if women were as physically strong as men, an argument that seems to suggest rape is the product of an innate impulse in all men and women's inherent weakness. Trump's campaign CEO Steve Bannon previously served as the executive chairman of Breitbart, a conservative website that references rape culture in quotation marks as if to suggest it does not actually exist.

"Rape culture" and the game of RAPO (Eric Berne):

Thesis. This is a game played between a man and a woman which might more politely be called, in the milder forms at least, 'Kiss Off' or 'Indignation.' It may be played with varying degrees of intensity.

1. First-Degree 'Rapo,' or 'Kiss Off,' is popular at social gatherings and consists essentially of mild flirtation. White signals that she is available and gets her pleasure from the man's pursuit. As soon as he has committed himself, the game is over. If she is polite, she may say quite frankly 'I appreciate your compliments and thank you very much,' and move on to the next conquest. If she is less generous, she may simply leave him. A skilful player can make this game last for a long time at a large social gathering by moving around frequently, so that the man has to carry out complicated manoeuvres in order to follow her without being too obvious.

2. In Second-Degree 'Rapo,' or 'Indignation,' White gets only secondary satisfaction from Black's advances. Her primary gratification comes from rejecting him, so that this game is also colloquially known as 'Buzz Off, Buster.' She leads Black into a much more serious commitment than the mild flirtation of First-Degree 'Rapo' and enjoys watching his discomfiture when she repulses him. Black, of course, is not as helpless as he seems, and may have gone to considerable trouble to get himself involved. Usually he is playing some variation of 'Kick Me.'

3. Third-Degree 'Rapo' is a vicious game which ends in murder, suicide or the courtroom. Here White leads Black into compromising physical contact and then claims that he has made a criminal assault or has done her irreparable damage. In its most cynical form White may actually allow him to complete the sexual act so that she gets that enjoyment before confronting him. The confrontation may be immediate, as in the illegitimate cry of rape, or it may be long delayed, as in suicide or homicide following a prolonged love affair. If she chooses to play it as a criminal assault, she may have no difficulty in finding mercenary or morbidly interested allies, such as the press, the police, counsellors and relatives. Sometimes, however, these outsiders may cynically turn on her, so that she loses the initiative and becomes a tool in their games.

http://www.heretical.com/games/rapo.html

[SimonNZ]

Are you posting that to indicate that you agree with it and/or think its insightful?

[zamyrabyrd]

I'd be delighted to have her for a lawyer if I ever needed one. My lawyer better go to the wall for me.

The victim was a 12 year old girl! A public defender is supposed to prevent injustice, not perpetrate it by playing legalistic games. A private lawyer against a corporation or against someone one's own size can take out the heavy artillery but releasing them on a young teenager was simply indecent and despicable, adding gross insult to gross injury. She thought it was funny, had no empathy then as she hasn't any now.

[zamyrabyrd]

Are you posting that to indicate that you agree with it and/or think its insightful?

I'm saying that some women can give guys indications that she might like that kind of attention. That piece of work who dredged up a touchy-feely from 30 years ago, could have stopped the process way before it got to home base, if what she says is true. I believe her as far as I can throw my piano.

[SimonNZ]

I find it hard to believe you're a woman.

[zamyrabyrd]

I find it hard to believe you're a woman.

Oh come now, you don't believe all that political correctness shlock? Poor little, innocent sweet thing who would not injure a fly!!!
I know these beeches better than you. There was one case in which a woman allowed herself to be massaged in a very compromising venue, the apartment of a clergy member no less, and then screamed RAPO for the whole world to hear, that fairly ruined him. I did take his side because she should have not been there in the first place.
Actually, I can't stand pant-suited women. I don't have any in my closet.

[The new erato]

[Madiel]

The Dylan crack is a whole different thread, but allow me to roll my eyes at it just the same.

[Karl Henning]

Eat a dang quesadilla!

[BasilValentine]

The victim was a 12 year old girl! A public defender is supposed to prevent injustice, not perpetrate it by playing legalistic games. A private lawyer against a corporation or against someone one's own size can take out the heavy artillery but releasing them on a young teenager was simply indecent and despicable, adding gross insult to gross injury. She thought it was funny, had no empathy then as she hasn't any now.

Have you listened to the tape? No one laughed at the victim. Hillary laughed at the bizarre way in which evidence was handled and then lost by the prosecution, which, by the way, is the reason the accused got off. Under those circumstances a public defender, even if it were ethical to do so (it isn't), would find it impossible "to prevent injustice."

[zamyrabyrd]

Have you listened to the tape? No one laughed at the victim. Hillary laughed at the bizarre way in which evidence was handled and then lost by the prosecution, which, by the way, is the reason the accused got off. Under those circumstances a public defender, even if it were ethical to do so (it isn't), would find it impossible "to prevent injustice."

I didn't say she laughed at the victim but she certainly was in an upbeat mood. I viewed another vid in which a lawyer said she was well within her obligations to carry out her duties. He said it was "lawyer talk" (similar to "locker room" I suppose) where they brag to on another what victories they had. However, he said the victim being a 12 year old girl was not a subject for that kind of discussion. What was disgusting though was accusing her of fantasizing about older men. She was only a kid, give me a break!

[Gurn Blanston]

The victim was a 12 year old girl! A public defender is supposed to prevent injustice, not perpetrate it by playing legalistic games. A private lawyer against a corporation or against someone one's own size can take out the heavy artillery but releasing them on a young teenager was simply indecent and despicable, adding gross insult to gross injury. She thought it was funny, had no empathy then as she hasn't any now.

Her job is no different if she is a public defender or a million dollar mouthpiece. She is my lawyer and she damn well better defend me with all she has. What you are basically saying is that people who can't afford a high-powered private practice attorney don't deserve the same level of defense as those who can. That really pretty well pisses me off, I must say.

[drogulus]

However, he said the victim being a 12 year old girl was not a subject for that kind of discussion.

     The subject was the polygraph results of the defendant. I listened to the tape. It's on YT.

     There's no way you could interpret it as Hillary laughing at the plight of this girl. Her plight was probably the reason she didn't want to defend the accused, which also explains why the judge could not excuse her.

[BasilValentine]

I didn't say she laughed at the victim but she certainly was in an upbeat mood. I viewed another vid in which a lawyer said she was well within her obligations to carry out her duties. He said it was "lawyer talk" (similar to "locker room" I suppose) where they brag to on another what victories they had. However, he said the victim being a 12 year old girl was not a subject for that kind of discussion. What was disgusting though was accusing her of fantasizing about older men. She was only a kid, give me a break!

She wasn't bragging about a victory or anything else. In fact, she attributed the success of the defense wholly to the incompetence of the prosecution. She was describing a pathetic miscarriage of justice in which she had been forced to participate. She called the whole affair "sad." The interview was years after the events and Hillary's mood has nothing to do with anything.

Who accused the victim of fantasizing about older men? What is your source for this?

And while I'm at it, the accusations that Hillary "viciously attacked" her husbands victims is mostly false:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/10/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-hillary-clinton-viciously-attack/

[zamyrabyrd]

Her job is no different if she is a public defender or a million dollar mouthpiece. She is my lawyer and she damn well better defend me with all she has. What you are basically saying is that people who can't afford a high-powered private practice attorney don't deserve the same level of defense as those who can. That really pretty well pisses me off, I must say.

To answer you and Valentine, this was uncalled for:
"As part of her handling of the case, Clinton filed an affidavit July 28, 1975, requesting that the girl go through a psychiatric examination. "I have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and to engage in fantasizing," Clinton said. 'I have also been informed that she has in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body. Also that she exhibits an unusual stubbornness and temper when she does not get her way. Clinton offered no source for the claims."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/10/11/the-facts-about-hillary-clinton-and-the-kathy-shelton-rape-case/

In other reports, she was lured into a car with two older men inside, not went with them willingly.
Justice was not done if a rapist got off with a 2 month sentence. She was made unable to bear children because of that crime. 
Be pissed off all you want. So what!