Countdown to Extinction: The 2016 Presidential Election

[(poco) Sforzando]

Monica Lewinsky was just making it up? There was no one to corroborate his gift to her (and a few other things)?
Paula Jones, Broadderick, Gennifer Flowers? Standing by a known serial moocher for decades is on a totally different level. Actions do speak louder than words. The hypocrisy is staggering.

What's staggering is that the only member on this thread to consistently excuse Trump's behavior is the only woman.

[Brian]

Standing by a known serial moocher for decades is on a totally different level. Actions do speak louder than words. The hypocrisy is staggering.

Now, this seems - I'm uncomfortable with this. A marriage is a private commitment between two people and, if they want it, a god. We have all seen weird marriages, or dysfunctional ones, or decisions that make no sense from the outside. There are men married to women 40 years younger, or serial philanderers like WJC and JFK, or that crazy lady who wanted to marry Charles Manson in jail last year.

It's easy for us to judge everyone from the outside, but if we're being honest: what right do we have to judge those things? What right do we have to condemn Hillary for "standing by a known moocher"? Maybe she loves him. Maybe they had conversations and agreements we're not privy to. Maybe she read him the riot act but was too classy to do so in public. I think chastising Hillary for "standing by" Bill is deeply confused, maybe misogynistic.

Speaking of which, when you say "actions do speak louder than words" and accuse Hillary of hypocrisy - that confuses me too, because while Hillary's actions have been the use of words, Trump's actions have been actually assaulting and molesting people. One of those is very clearly worse.

[Karl Henning]

Standing by a known serial moocher for decades is indeed on a totally different level than sexual assault.

[Parsifal]

Monica Lewinsky was just making it up? There was no one to corroborate his gift to her (and a few other things)?
Paula Jones, Broadderick, Gennifer Flowers? Standing by a known serial moocher for decades is on a totally different level. Actions do speak louder than words. The hypocrisy is staggering.

Now, this seems - I'm uncomfortable with this. A marriage is a private commitment between two people and, if they want it, a god. We have all seen weird marriages, or dysfunctional ones, or decisions that make no sense from the outside. There are men married to women 40 years younger, or serial philanderers like WJC and JFK, or that crazy lady who wanted to marry Charles Manson in jail last year.

It's easy for us to judge everyone from the outside, but if we're being honest: what right do we have to judge those things? What right do we have to condemn Hillary for "standing by a known moocher"? Maybe she loves him. Maybe they had conversations and agreements we're not privy to. Maybe she read him the riot act but was too classy to do so in public. I think chastising Hillary for "standing by" Bill is deeply confused, maybe misogynistic.

Speaking of which, when you say "actions do speak louder than words" and accuse Hillary of hypocrisy - that confuses me too, because while Hillary's actions have been the use of words, Trump's actions have been actually assaulting and molesting people. One of those is very clearly worse.

Brian is 100% right. No one is prepared to judge a marriage but the people in the marriage. They have a commitment to each other that they have found worthy of preserving and continuing over 40 years. It must be providing them mutual support, even if it does not involve an exclusive sexual relationship. The issue with Monica Lewinsky may have been, not that there was an intimate encounter, but that he was so indiscrete as to allow it to blow up into a public spectacle that humiliated her and endangered his presidency.

By Donald Trump has made multiple public statements which I find extremely troubling. He said that his ownership of the Miss Universe pageant "sort of" gives him the right to walk in on naked women in the dressing room. He told a television reporter that he can sexually assault women because he's "a star." Man women have come forward to say that he did to them exactly what he bragged he can do. He mocked a reporter with a congenital deformity, he mocked a mother who's son died in Iraq defending his unit from a bomb, he mocked John McCain's war service. He spent years claiming that Barack Obama was not born in the U.S., then blamed Hillary Clinton for starting it. Her is a pathological liar who does not recognize the rights and human dignity of anyone but himself. For him to have the power of the office of president is terrifying to me.

[Karl Henning]

We still have three weeks to go, and considering that this season has been an even wilder (and much less agreeable) ride than the Schnittke First, it may be rather bumpy yet.  But:

The polls are split between Hillary Clinton winning and ... Hillary Clinton winning in a landslide

[Pat B]

The issue with Monica Lewinsky may have been, not that there was an intimate encounter, but that he was so indiscrete as to allow it to blow up into a public spectacle that humiliated her and endangered his presidency.

The more fundamental issue is that she worked for him, which is Not Okay in my book. Same with Paula Jones.

Had Jones come forward before the 1992 election, she might have made more of a political impact. I also think people are more aware of the issue now than 24 years ago.

Anyway, I don't think spouses are going to be decisive in this election.

[drogulus]

     Citizen Pain

     After he loses the election, Donald Trump will enter a world of hurt.

     

[Mister Sharpe]

History will not be kind to Donald Trump. Nor should it be.

[PerfectWagnerite]

History will not be kind to Donald Trump. Nor should it be.

Completely agree, nasty fellows like him always get their comeuppance...ALWAYS.

[Karl Henning]

The more fundamental issue is that she worked for him, which is Not Okay in my book. Same with Paula Jones.

Had Jones come forward before the 1992 election, she might have made more of a political impact. I also think people are more aware of the issue now than 24 years ago.

Anyway, I don't think spouses are going to be decisive in this election.

Yes; it's a profound misstep to live in the past, and flout Bill Clinton's flaws: he ain't on the ballot, and the younger electorate aren't invested in that resentment.

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[snyprrr]

So, no one here has seen the new Project Veritas video? I can't believe youse are still on PussyGate. wtf, guys- we have real life crimes going on and youse are ... ALL?... acting like rabid grannies over these unvetted allegations- at least the ClintonRapeSquad has a track record of legal action and such.

Anyway, we can either discuss the actual crimes of QUID PRO QUO - and I don't care what the State Dept spokesmouth, or Obama have to say about (how would he know the FBI isn't telling the truth?).

Maybe it's time to fry Obama for good? What did he know and when did he know it?



hey zbyrd-

Would you please just take the gloves off already. The GenPop here are beholden to any member of a MajorVictimGroup, so, by merely having the passageway-of-life, you can singlehandedly dispose of all their faux-phemenist brainwashing... if there's one thing these folks are terrified of, it's a woman (Italian horror movie scared!!). Please explain that some men haven't yet been chemically neutered and that today's woman really don't have it so bad. Something. Anything. Nuke 'em.


This latest Project Veritas video really is deplorable and disgusting. Please, all my dear keyboard strokes here, please tell me that what you hear on those vids is just wrong. Well, I don't need you to confirm it- but- please... seriously... can we stop talkin pussy hear for just.one.day.?


I have told you before I have to write in my candidate, just to be able to show my sheer impartiality and neutrality here. I can't support a narcissus - but... I am aflame against my brethren here for being such gutless cowards as to not see the absolute and pure corruption that is the Clinton/Bush cartel... in this case, the Clinton side... and in this case, Hilldawg.

Have you not read Chelsea's email where she is so shocked at the level of corruption at the CF? Have you not watched this current video where lifelong Demo operatives gloat about their Chicago style old skool taktiks?



Hillary's a grassroots revolution??? HUH? splain it to me lucy

Yes; it's a profound misstep to live in the past, and flout Bill Clinton's flaws: he ain't on the ballot, and the younger electorate aren't invested in that resentment.

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Hopefully the Bill Clinton Rape Video will come out at some point. I see on Drudge now they're looking into some sexy Hilldawg scandel thingy... seems she likes to grab the P too!!!!!

[snyprrr]

Yes; it's a profound misstep to live in the past, and flout Bill Clinton's flaws: he ain't on the ballot, and the younger electorate aren't invested in that resentment.

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please watch the project veritas video all the way thru

[snyprrr]

oh, and btw- HOWARD DEAN last night?? wtf was that? please post CNN vid... I'm sure we can at least agree that he is a clueless cog

[Madiel]

History will not be kind to Donald Trump. Nor should it be.

The main benefit of this campaign is that I've learned about Barry Goldwater. Perhaps in a few decades a new generation will learn about Trump in a similar way.

[zamyrabyrd]

Yes; it's a profound misstep to live in the past, and flout Bill Clinton's flaws: he ain't on the ballot.

You missed the part of a "champion of women" harassing his victims. Maybe it's too complex for you to understand the meaning of "enabling" an addict. If sexual acting out (including Lolita parties at his friend Epstein's island) was going on for decades, it shows a wife is not just standing by her man but is complicit, like supplying dope to a druggie. Without knowing anything else about the person (like she has quite a sewer mouth), this is not only a serious character flaw but psychologically unsound. It's a heightened form of lying to herself and everyone else so should not be trusted AT ALL!!! She is Lady Macbeth and Jezebel put together and it confounds me why you don't see it.

[Madiel]

Gee, I simply can't imagine the commentary if Hillary had divorced her husband instead. [/sarcasm]

[zamyrabyrd]

Gee, I simply can't imagine the commentary if Hillary had divorced her husband instead. [/sarcasm]

Bleedin' obvious she would have been finished politically if she dumped Billy-boy. Divorce doesn't have the same censure it did decades ago. Instead, she would have been applauded to have freed herself from the jerk. Actually, doing just that would have earned some respect from me.

Meanwhile here's a goggle of the present Veep. If that had been me at 3:40 I would have bitten his hand:

https://www.youtube.com/v/6IL5u5U39Qo

For Brutus is an honourable man...So are they all, all honourable men...

[Karl Henning]

So, no one here has seen the new Project Veritas video? I can't believe youse are still on PussyGate. wtf, guys- we have real life crimes going on and youse are ... ALL?... acting like rabid grannies over these unvetted allegations- at least the ClintonRapeSquad has a track record of legal action and such.

Anyway, we can either discuss the actual crimes of QUID PRO QUO - and I don't care what the State Dept spokesmouth, or Obama have to say about (how would he know the FBI isn't telling the truth?).

Maybe it's time to fry Obama for good? What did he know and when did he know it?



hey zbyrd-

Would you please just take the gloves off already. The GenPop here are beholden to any member of a MajorVictimGroup, so, by merely having the passageway-of-life, you can singlehandedly dispose of all their faux-phemenist brainwashing... if there's one thing these folks are terrified of, it's a woman (Italian horror movie scared!!). Please explain that some men haven't yet been chemically neutered and that today's woman really don't have it so bad. Something. Anything. Nuke 'em.


This latest Project Veritas video really is deplorable and disgusting. Please, all my dear keyboard strokes here, please tell me that what you hear on those vids is just wrong. Well, I don't need you to confirm it- but- please... seriously... can we stop talkin pussy hear for just.one.day. ?


I have told you before I have to write in my candidate, just to be able to show my sheer impartiality and neutrality here. I can't support a narcissus - but... I am aflame against my brethren here for being such gutless cowards as to not see the absolute and pure corruption that is the Clinton/Bush cartel... in this case, the Clinton side... and in this case, Hilldawg.

Have you not read Chelsea's email where she is so shocked at the level of corruption at the CF? Have you not watched this current video where lifelong Demo operatives gloat about their Chicago style old skool taktiks?



Hillary's a grassroots revolution??? HUH? splain it to me lucy


Hopefully the Bill Clinton Rape Video will come out at some point. I see on Drudge now they're looking into some sexy Hilldawg scandel thingy... seems she likes to grab the P too!!!!!

I only hope you're El Tupé's debate coach, snypsss.

[Karl Henning]

Whatever may be the priority of El Tupé's determined supporters, it ain't the truth:

For the record, Trump wins at Liar's Dice — by a long shot, according to PolitiFact. At last count, Clinton has told the truth 24 percent of the time, compared with Trump at 4 percent. Clinton's statements have been "mostly true" 27 percent of the time compared with Trump's 11 percent. In the "pants-on-fire" category, meaning not just false but a bald-faced lie, Clinton scores 3 percent to Trump's 17 percent. At least he's winning at something.

So, to be clear, probably no one who is voting for Clinton disagrees that her transparency and embrace of facts could use a shot of vitamins.  But if you're in the tank with El Tupé, it is no better than a sarcasm to call Clinton a liar.

[zamyrabyrd]

Whatever may be the priority of El Tupé's determined supporters, it ain't the truth:

For the record, Trump wins at Liar's Dice — by a long shot, according to PolitiFact. At last count, Clinton has told the truth 24 percent of the time, compared with Trump at 4 percent. Clinton's statements have been "mostly true" 27 percent of the time compared with Trump's 11 percent. In the "pants-on-fire" category, meaning not just false but a bald-faced lie, Clinton scores 3 percent to Trump's 17 percent. At least he's winning at something.

So, to be clear, probably no one who is voting for Clinton disagrees that her transparency and embrace of facts could use a shot of vitamins.  But if you're in the tank with El Tupé, it is no better than a sarcasm to call Clinton a liar.

Is that site supposed to be Holy Writ or something? There are many levels to factual "truth". Most of what politicians say are speculations and promises anyway that don't come under the heading of "truth". Most were statements and opinions one can agree or disagree with. This kind of test would not be admitted in any sane educational institution.