Countdown to Extinction: The 2016 Presidential Election

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San Antone

'How Do I Change My Vote?' Searches Skyrocket as Donald Trump Urges Early Clinton Voters to Switch

In Michigan, Fred Woodhams, a spokesman for the Michigan Department of State said: "A Michigan voter who has cast an absentee ballot can get a new absentee ballot if they visit their local clerk's office in person on or before 4 p.m., Monday, Nov. 7. The previous ballot will be spoiled."

Other states where voters can change their ballot are, Minnesota, Connecticut, New York and Mississippi, said CNN.

Google Trends says searches for "how do I change my vote?" reached an all-time high since 2004 when queries for the search term increased 600 percent in the last week and the leading states for these searches are: Florida, Arizona, Wisconsin, Louisiana and Tennessee.




San Antone

Quote from: Scarpia on November 02, 2016, 11:17:03 AM
If you knew more about Donald Trump you would realize that he is essentially Flem Snopes, transposed from Frenchman's Bend to Queens, New York.

I know enough about Trump, i.e. he is not a liberal Democrat, in order to cast my vote.  I also know enough about Hillary Clinton to know that if elected she will make Richard Nixon blush.

Herman

Quote from: sanantonio on November 02, 2016, 12:10:02 PM
I know enough about Trump, i.e. he is not a liberal Democrat,

he used to be, until he saw a better opportunity in the GOP primaries.

Parsifal

Quote from: sanantonio on November 02, 2016, 12:10:02 PM
I know enough about Trump, i.e. he is not a liberal Democrat.

If he actually wins, people who voted for Trump for what he is not will be shocked to find out that he is something.

San Antone

Quote from: Scarpia on November 02, 2016, 12:30:32 PM
If he actually wins, people who voted for Trump for what he is not will be shocked to find out that he is something.

He will be the Republican president working with Paul Ryan, who will probably still be Speaker of the House, and Mitch McConnell, the Senate Leader.  Ryan and McConnell have both said that theiy could work much more effectively with a President Trump as opposed to a President Clinton.

I take them at their word.  You should too.

Parsifal

Quote from: sanantonio on November 02, 2016, 12:34:17 PM
He will be the Republican president working with Paul Ryan, who will probably still be Speaker of the House, and Mitch McConnell, the Senate Leader.  Ryan and McConnell have both said that theiy could work much more effectively with a President Trump as opposed to a President Clinton.

I take them at their word.  You should too.

I do take them at their word, which is a strong reason for voting Clinton, in my view.

drogulus

Quote from: sanantonio on November 02, 2016, 10:04:22 AM
Not convinced of anything other than the author's complete lack of understanding what is motivating most Trump voters in this election.  David Frum, who is a card carrying member of the elite brigade, appears to be blinded by Inside-the-Beltway-Thinking.

     Perhaps he understands what they want and doesn't think they should have it, for reasons that are widely shared with Outside-the-Beltway-Thinkers.

     Russian search-engine Yandex passed information to FSB

     Well, well, well......I got a phishing email today from a Yandex email account, from "Edger Hoover", something about Urgent information, with an attachment which I somehow forgot to open before I deleted the message.

     
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Madiel

Quote from: sanantonio on November 02, 2016, 10:33:42 AM
Clinton being called to account for her Benghazi debacle

Oh I see. So all the official reports concluding that there was nothing to pin on Clinton are trumped by a Youtube video.

You think the committees that wrote the reports weren't at their own hearings, or something?
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Madiel

The argument to vote for Trump seems to be fundamentally driven by the proposition that Clinton will bring more of the same.

The proposition is, I think, largely correct. It's the conclusion drawn from that that is the problem. The conclusion fails to recognise who, to the extent that things are bad, has created that situation and who benefits from it. It's people like Trump.

The hens are kicking the rooster out for failing to protect them and choosing the fox as their leader.
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Parsifal

Quote from: ørfeo on November 02, 2016, 01:24:27 PM
Oh I see. So all the official reports concluding that there was nothing to pin on Clinton are trumped by a Youtube video.

You think the committees that wrote the reports weren't at their own hearings, or something?

And oddly enough, the committees were stacked with Clinton's bitterest enemies. Now you understand why the U.S. is tumbling into the abyss.

Madiel

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Quote from: Scarpia on November 02, 2016, 01:38:29 PM
And oddly enough, the committees were stacked with Clinton's bitterest enemies. Now you understand why the U.S. is tumbling into the abyss.

Well, the "somebody died, therefore somebody must be at fault" syndrome is certainly not unique to the United States. I can think of several clear examples of it in Australia.** Sometimes it's lawsuits, sometimes it's political, but the general pattern is the same - a belief that such things should never happen and therefore they can only happen because someone MUST have done something wrong.

It's a pet peeve of mine, not least because it involves a belief that we control everything. It refuses to acknowledge that either other people (in this case) or the natural world (in a couple of the Australian cases) are beyond our control and not completely predictable.


**For example, when a first inquiry concluded that no-one could have prevented the devastation of the town of Grantham in Queensland in 2011, there was pressure to have a second inquiry, which found the same thing. There's been at least a couple of investigations of the associated Brisbane floods, again finding that the dam managers were not to blame. When an "inland tsunami" hits, the water has to go somewhere.
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Pat B

Quote from: sanantonio on November 02, 2016, 12:34:17 PM
He will be the Republican president working with Paul Ryan, who will probably still be Speaker of the House, and Mitch McConnell, the Senate Leader.  Ryan and McConnell have both said that theiy could work much more effectively with a President Trump as opposed to a President Clinton.

I take them at their word.  You should too.

Weren't you recently telling us that the Washington establishment hates Trump, and that was a good thing? And now you're touting his support from political elites like Ryan and McConnell?

San Antone

Quote from: Pat B on November 02, 2016, 04:50:45 PM
Weren't you recently telling us that the Washington establishment hates Trump, and that was a good thing? And now you're touting his support from political elites like Ryan and McConnell?

Both Ryan and McConnell have been reluctant Trump endorsers.  But their point is of the two candidates, the one who they will have a better working relationship with would be the Republican president, i.e. Trump.

As I've said more than once, this is a binary choice: Trump or Clinton.  Voters and most politicians are calculating which of the two is closer to their positions and choosing accordingly.  Trump is not the 1st, 2nd, or 16th choice for most Republican officials.  But between him and Clinton it is a straight-forward decision.

Now I hear that Jill Stein has made a de facto endorsement of Trump.

This campaign is full of surprises.

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: ørfeo on November 02, 2016, 05:05:41 AM
More thinking for yourself.

Few of us think entirely for ourselves, either in regards to musical tastes or politics. We are all conglomerations of what we've read and heard, and whether we are swayed to one side or another, it should behoove us to humbly admit that it's a rare person who has a truly original thought.
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: sanantonio on November 02, 2016, 12:10:02 PM
I know enough about Trump, i.e. he is not a liberal Democrat, in order to cast my vote.  I also know enough about Hillary Clinton to know that if elected she will make Richard Nixon blush.

Is this supposed to be an example of critical thinking?
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

Mirror Image

Quote from: sanantonio on November 02, 2016, 05:04:11 PM
Both Ryan and McConnell have been reluctant Trump endorsers.  But their point is of the two candidates, the one who they will have a better working relationship with would be the Republican president, i.e. Trump.

As I've said more than once, this is a binary choice: Trump or Clinton.  Voters and most politicians are calculating which of the two is closer to their positions and choosing accordingly.  Trump is not the 1st, 2nd, or 16th choice for most Republican officials.  But between him and Clinton it is a straight-forward decision.

Now I hear that Jill Stein has made a de facto endorsement of Trump.

This campaign is full of surprises.

David Duke gave Trump his endorsement, too. He's just raking in all of the good guys. ::)

San Antone

FBI Sources Believe Clinton Foundation Case Moving Towards "Likely an Indictment"

1. The Clinton Foundation investigation is far more expansive than anybody has reported so far and has been going on for more than a year.

2. The laptops of Clinton aides Cherryl Mills and Heather Samuelson have not been destroyed, and agents are currently combing through them. The investigation has interviewed several people twice, and plans to interview some for a third time.

3. Agents have found emails believed to have originated on Hillary Clinton's secret server on Anthony Weiner's laptop. They say the emails are not duplicates and could potentially be classified in nature.

4. Sources within the FBI have told him that an indictment is "likely" in the case of pay-for-play at the Clinton Foundation, "barring some obstruction in some way" from the Justice Department.

5. FBI sources say with 99% accuracy that Hillary Clinton's server has been hacked by at least five foreign intelligence agencies, and that information had been taken from it.

Pat B

Quote from: sanantonio on November 02, 2016, 05:04:11 PM
Both Ryan and McConnell have been reluctant Trump endorsers.  But their point is of the two candidates, the one who they will have a better working relationship with would be the Republican president, i.e. Trump.

I'm just trying to figure out whether you like him because you think he's going to bust up the establishment, or because you think he'll cooperate with them.

zamyrabyrd

Quote from: sanantonio on November 02, 2016, 12:10:02 PM
I know enough about Trump, i.e. he is not a liberal Democrat, in order to cast my vote.  I also know enough about Hillary Clinton to know that if elected she will make Richard Nixon blush.

In a sermon on Sunday during which Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler was prominently mentioned, Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan scolded Hillary Clinton in connection with the 1994 crime bill.

During the campaign season, there have been tensions between the Democrat presidential nominee and the Black Lives Matter movement in part because of a speech Hillary Clinton gave, calling for at-risk youth whom she described as "super predators" needing to be brought "to heel." In context, Clinton was then expressing support for the 1994 Violent Crime Control Act, a.k.a. the crime bill, that her husband, former President Bill Clinton, signed into law.

"In April, Hillary Clinton said she was sorry for what she described as the unintended consequences of the landmark 1994 crime bill signed into law by her husband. Clinton's past support for the law has come under fire from some African-Americans who say that it has contributed to mass incarceration of young blacks," Fox News explained.

In his sermon in Chicago, Farrakhan also slammed Republican nominee Donald Trump for being a liar, but also praised him for turning the tables on the media who sought to destroy him.

"Now I want to look at Mrs. Clinton for a minute. My dear brothers and sisters, this is serious. Her husband and Joe Biden were the authors of the crime bill that put tens of thousands of black brothers and sisters in prison. So while we were organizing for the Million Man March, they were organizing to put black men and women in jail. Mrs. Clinton backed the crime bill and then called our young people super predators. Of course she apologized, but just a minute. See, Hitler could've said to the Jews after Auschwitz, 'I'm so sorry.' Would that be enough to satisfy you? You couldn't satisfy any Jewish person with an apology. Reparations was demanded for the evil of Adolph Hitler to the Jewish people. What will we demand for the evil that has been done to us as a people for 461 years.

The Clinton's raised hundreds of millions of dollars, even billions for Haiti but no one knows where the money went. I've been to Haiti since then. Haiti has never been rebuilt. Who benefited from the billions? The Haitian people are still in shambles. Their places, their homes, their capital city have not been rebuilt. And now they got hit with a natural disaster, a hurricane and none of that donated money is available for them to use. Mr. Trump said he visited Little Haiti. He said the Haitians do not like the Clinton's at all. I know that to be a fact. Enlightened Haitians are very angry at the way the Clinton's handled the Haitian people..."

Hillary Clinton's support for alleged racially motivated abortion also came up in the sermon.

"In 2009, Hillary Clinton received the Margaret Sanger Award from Planned Parenthood. It was Mrs. Sanger who advocated population control of black and poor people. In a 1939 letter, Sanger wrote about getting black preachers to help with her efforts. She said, 'we don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population'... And when Mrs. Clinton received the award, she says 'Now I have to tell you that it was a great privilege when I was told that I would receive this award. I admire Margaret Sanger enormously. Her courage. Her tenacity. Her vision'..."

http://www.inquisitr.com/3670744/nation-of-islam-leader-louis-farrakhan-compares-hillary-clinton-to-hitler-video/#73LUC8lgStx0DI4K.99
"Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one."

― Charles MacKay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds

Madiel

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Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on November 02, 2016, 07:00:42 PM
Few of us think entirely for ourselves, either in regards to musical tastes or politics. We are all conglomerations of what we've read and heard, and whether we are swayed to one side or another, it should behoove us to humbly admit that it's a rare person who has a truly original thought.

No argument there. What I'm commenting on is the juxtaposition of a person CLAIMING superior levels of originality and the same person churning out post after post that isn't even in his own words.

Neither of those things on its own would be worthy of comment.
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