Countdown to Extinction: The 2016 Presidential Election

[zamyrabyrd]

You reverse your position again (now implementation doesn't matter, what matters is smearing Clinton), and you continue to be f**king rude while doing it.

No you are rude and twisting what I am saying. The primary reason for discussing Planned Parenthood and eugenics is their connection to Clinton. She received the Margaret Sanger (unashamed racist) award in 2009. Population control is a central feature of totalitarianism.

[drogulus]

Ms. Warren: "You know, this is the scary part about democracy today. . . . We're talking again about the impact of money. The credit industry on this bankruptcy bill has spent tens of millions of dollars lobbying. . . ."

This raises an obvious question: Does Sen. Warren regard the wealthy teachers unions as her own "constituency?" One that counts more than the middle-class and low-income families who are desperate for the high-quality education that Massachusetts charter schools offer?

     It's not fair to suggest that only charter school choosers care about quality. Sen. Warren faces the same constituency imprisonment dilemmas as any politician would face. And sometimes she will buckle to a powerful interest that has a weak argument. In Massachusetts tuition costs between public and charter schools are supposed to be equalized, but funding has lagged for the public side. Warren is entitled and I would argue obligated to take into account the funding situation and the constituents who may be harmed by it, even if it also benefits the teachers in the public system whose support she also seeks. But yes, she will tend to support the teachers all else being equal, though I think it isn't.

[Karl Henning]

Don't be surprised if Free Speech takes a hit in an El Tupé administration:

I bought the website Trump.org. Then Donald Trump came after me.

[Karl Henning]

I know some are hoping that McConnell and Ryan can "work with" El Tupé.

Oops.

Now, McConnell confesses Trump is far more powerful than they. It's frightening because it is true.

[...]

At least we've dispensed with the fiction that a party unwilling to stop Trump before his election would act as a brake if he got to the Oval Office. McConnell is right in the sense that any president is the most powerful politician in the country. And that's the problem. Once elected, Trump's already humongous ego would know no limits.

[San Antone]

I know some are hoping that McConnell and Ryan can "work with" El Tupé.

Oops.

Now, McConnell confesses Trump is far more powerful than they. It's frightening because it is true.

[...]

At least we've dispensed with the fiction that a party unwilling to stop Trump before his election would act as a brake if he got to the Oval Office. McConnell is right in the sense that any president is the most powerful politician in the country. And that's the problem. Once elected, Trump's already humongous ego would know no limits.

Well, bloggers say a lot of things.

[André]

I'm a Republican. And I'm voting for Trump. Mind you, I know he's an incapable dud doubled with a money, pussy grabber neanderthalian, but I'm still voting Trump Republican.

I couldn't care less about the POTUS. It's the next SCOTUS Justice and Majority Leader that count. Everybody with a brain knows a Trump vote is a vote for the next right-wing SCOTUS and control of both Houses. I mean, who ever voted for a POTUS ? Might as well abolish the position. Forget about the brain dead orange orang-utan. Think of the future and vote for a return to the glorious past !

Brought to you by the True Republicans.

[zamyrabyrd]

I couldn't care less about the POTUS. It's the next SCOTUS Justice and Majority Leader that count. Everybody with a brain knows a Trump vote is a vote for the next right-wing SCOTUS and control of both Houses. I mean, who ever voted for a POTUS ? Might as well abolish the position. Forget about the brain dead orange orang-utan. Think of the future and vote for a return to the glorious past !
Brought to you by the True Republicans.

Bravo!!!

[Karl Henning]

... this early lie presaged a campaign built on lies.

[Herman]

My goodness, they dragged out poor Melania one more time, put her in some Princess Diana-era clothes, and let her read out some painfully bizarre speech about what she will do when she'd be First Lady.

She will focus on combatting bullying and uncivil behavior.

It's straight out of Orwell's 1984.

[San Antone]

Donald Trump has never been closer to the presidency than he is at this moment


If the polls closed right at this moment (which they won't) and if the results in each state perfectly mirrored the current RealClearPolitics average of polls in each state (which they won't), Hillary Clinton would be elected president by an electoral college margin of 8 votes. From her high in the polls a week or two ago, Clinton's leads in a number of critical battleground states have collapsed or evaporated entirely. The election could come down to one state with four electoral college votes that flips from Clinton to Donald Trump and, boom: A 269-269 electoral college tie, and a vote by the House of Representatives to decide on the next president -- who, given the composition of the House, would almost certainly be Donald Trump.

[Herman]

boom: A 269-269 electoral college tie, and a vote by the House of Representatives to decide on the next president -- who, given the composition of the House, would almost certainly be Donald Trump.[/i]

well, wouldn't that be your wet dream?

[Brian]

boom: A 269-269 electoral college tie, and a vote by the House of Representatives to decide on the next president -- who, given the composition of the House, would almost certainly be Donald Trump.

The House can consider the top 3 vote getters, not the top 2, and I would imagine that the Democrats + a rogue contingent of Never Trump and Ryanist Republicans might then cut some kind of back-room deal to elect Johnson or McMullin.

It would be sheer madness nationally, of course - but at this point, there will be chaos if Trump wins, chaos if Trump loses, so what's a little added chaos?

[Madiel]

I'm a Republican. And I'm voting for Trump. Mind you, I know he's an incapable dud doubled with a money, pussy grabber neanderthalian, but I'm still voting Trump Republican.

I couldn't care less about the POTUS. It's the next SCOTUS Justice and Majority Leader that count. Everybody with a brain knows a Trump vote is a vote for the next right-wing SCOTUS and control of both Houses. I mean, who ever voted for a POTUS ? Might as well abolish the position. Forget about the brain dead orange orang-utan. Think of the future and vote for a return to the glorious past !

Brought to you by the True Republicans.

There is so much awful in this, and it has absolutely nothing to do with Trump or which side of politics a person is on.

[71 dB]

I can understand why badly educated unemployed rednecks with an IQ less than 90 will vote Trump. Of course they do! Trump says what they want to hear. Trump plays with their fears and fears is the best way to manipulate people. Trump's campaign has been a overwhelming masterpiece of populism and controversy.

I can't understand how anyone on this board would vote Trump. Yes, I am a Finn and I don't know everything about these candidates, but from my European point of view Hillary Clinton could become one of the best presidents in the history of USA.

This election is going to be a thriller for the whole world! 

[PerfectWagnerite]

Let me be perfectly clear- they should all most likely be hanging from the gallows in the public square for their High Crimes. Treasonous Pack ofRats- and go ahead and throw the GOP (Grabbers Of Pussy) leadership in there too...

THE TREE OF LIBERTY MUST BE WATERED with the blood of tyrants and patriots.


WHAT? karl- you think I can afford an 8Ball???

If you going to quote please get the quote right:

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

But Jefferson was not advocating violence and bloodshed as that quote was (is) often taken out of context.

[PerfectWagnerite]

I can understand why badly educated unemployed rednecks with an IQ less than 90 will vote Trump. Of course they do! Trump says what they want to hear. Trump plays with their fears and fears is the best way to manipulate people. Trump's campaign has been a overwhelming masterpiece of populism and controversy.

Exactly. I don't like Grandma. But in the end I ask myself do I associate more with Trump (born with a silver spoon in his mouth, pampered as child, got everything he ever wanted, pompous, racist, sexist, a bigot) or with Grandma (smart, highly educated, made a name for herself in a tough field, serve this nation for decades). In the end the choice is easy.

[André]

There is so much awful in this, and it has absolutely nothing to do with Trump or which side of politics a person is on.

I hope you didn't miss the "second degree" irony of my post... Please don't mistake me for one of them. I don't think I deserve that 

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That being said, I don's think the US deserves Trump either.

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I understand the conservative sentiment. We ALL wish there was more order, more respect, more  compassion in today's society. Amen to that.

OTOH the White first, retrograde, anti immigrants, homophobic, gun-toting, punishing, unforgiving, pussy-grabbing, I-can-yell-louder-than-you-can, overbearing kind of America that Trump and the Right promotes is a the kind of puke, puke, puke kind of society that revulses me.

The U.S.A. deserves the best, and so does the world.

[San Antone]

I'm A Woman, I'm Voting For Trump, And It Wasn't Even A Close Call

The Hillary Clinton campaigners have gone after my white, suburban, college-educated mom group hard this election season. She needs us to win the White House. This is especially true since I live in the swing state of North Carolina. With Donald Trump leading among men in battleground states, Clinton needs women like me to turn out in big numbers.

Historically, women like me have voted Republican, but that's not a forgone conclusion. We are open to change, and all of a sudden, the late GenXer/millennial mom is now a coveted swing group that can alter the course of a national election. Clinton has exploited this opportunity by repeatedly declaring how misogynistic Trump is and how we need to "be with her" and make history together by voting for the first woman president.

While I would have loved to make history by voting in the first president of my gender, that's not going to happen this time. I'm voting for Trump. It's not because I'm blind to his many faults; I see them perfectly. But they pale in comparison to Clinton's, not only her lack of trustworthiness and political corruption but her deeply flawed policies.

What matters to me are not appeals to identity politics and making history, but the platforms on which each candidate stands. Trump's policies and proposals are more in line with what's good for my family and country, while Clinton's pose a threat to our individual liberty and welfare in just about every sphere, particularly health care.

Smart.

[San Antone]

ObamaCare's Chickens Come Home to Roost

Lies passed ObamaCare legislation, lies supported its implementation. As its death spiral begins, angry and panicked lies by Democratic apologists attempt to deflect accountability for its economic devastation.

ObamaCare's economic wreckage will insure President Barack Obama's now classic promises regarding ObamaCare will eventually scar his legacy. History is written usually by the victors. In the case of ObamaCare, the economic losers are so numerous their bitter complaints will write the titles, fill the chapters and pack the footnotes.

Here are two examples of his great falsehoods:

"If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what." President Obama, June 15, 2009

He repeated  the "keep your doctor lie" the next day, in a speech to the American Medical Association.

"No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period." President Barack Obama, June 16, 2009

The last link leads to the White House website.

Obama has managed to escape accountability for a deception that has damaged many middle class families. When he skated through the 2012 presidential campaign America had yet to feel the full extent of ObamaCare's policy disaster.  Presidential debate moderators didn't press him on the point. Obama could sell himself as hope.

It's November 2016.  The empirical evidence is in. His "Keep you doctor" and "keep your policy" statements were blatant falsehoods.

[drogulus]

     

     I understand that insurance companies are capable of "Obama lies" changes in your insurance policy that are not in the ACA itself. Those of us who favored single payer were aware these companies didn't feel any obligation to keep promises they didn't make.

     Now, I don't think ObamaCare fails unless people who now have coverage are forced off. There will never be a Repub plan that keeps everyone and expands on that. They can't "replace", they won't, they don't want to. It's Repub bullshittery, not truthful enough to be a lie.