Countdown to Extinction: The 2016 Presidential Election

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(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: Todd on August 19, 2015, 07:42:51 AM

A tax deduction is a tax expenditure.  From the Joint Committee on Taxation:

"Tax expenditures are defined under the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 (the "Budget Act") as "revenue losses attributable to provisions of the Federal tax laws which allow a special exclusion, exemption, or deduction from gross income or which provide a special credit, a preferential rate of tax, or a deferral of tax liability." Thus, tax expenditures include any reductions in income tax liabilities that result from special tax provisions or regulations that provide tax benefits to particular taxpayers."


RT.com is a sometime questionable source of information.

I didn't use RT. Well, yes, if I pay mortgage interest, state taxes, and/or medical expenses and deduct them on Schedule A, I've incurred expenses that result in a reduction of my taxable income. But not invariably (e.g., I buy a piece of art for $5K, it appreciates to $25K, and I donate the appreciated value as a charitable deduction). So are these companies granting stock options not reaping far greater benefits than they immediately pay? (I'm just asking, I'm not a tax specialist.)
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Todd

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on August 19, 2015, 07:57:21 AMSo are these companies granting stock options not reaping far greater benefits than they immediately pay? (I'm just asking, I'm not a tax specialist.)



Nor am I, so I cannot say conclusively, but it looks like they are reducing current and some future tax liabilities based on what is in the article (from RT, however it was linked).  I'm not at all surprised they are using such a deduction.  They should.  I would say management at companies using this deduction have a fiduciary responsibility to shareholders to minimize taxes and therefore to use all legal means of doing so.  The policy question is whether such deductions are economically or socially useful.  The same question applies to all tax expenditures. 
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Pat B

Quote from: Ken B on August 18, 2015, 10:29:11 AM
QUIZ: Which other candidate sounds most like Trump on immigration?
ANSWER: Bernie Sanders.

Somebody wrote it on National Review, it must be true.

Their actual policy ideas are extremely different.

ibanezmonster

Anyone heard about the candidate, Deez Nuts, polling at 9% of the vote?

I would have voted for them... hey, it's a better choice than Clinton or Trump, so why not?


Brian

Fun little nugget buried in an NYT piece about Bernie Sanders' Iowa campaign events:

It was around then that Fred Bowes, a 77-year-old Democrat, walked out of an event in Boone.

"Everything he said is true," Mr. Bowes said. "Implementing what he says is next to impossible."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/21/us/politics/bernie-sanders-evokes-obama-of-08-but-with-less-hope.html

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: Brian on August 21, 2015, 07:25:46 AM
Fun little nugget buried in an NYT piece about Bernie Sanders' Iowa campaign events:

It was around then that Fred Bowes, a 77-year-old Democrat, walked out of an event in Boone.

"Everything he said is true," Mr. Bowes said. "Implementing what he says is next to impossible."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/21/us/politics/bernie-sanders-evokes-obama-of-08-but-with-less-hope.html

But nothing's impossible for Donald Trump.
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(poco) Sforzando

"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

Brian

Quote from: karlhenning on August 21, 2015, 10:33:16 AM
Because that's how the G.O.P. colors the process:

I also saw where four different GOP candidates - including Donald Trump!! - are the children of immigrants.

drogulus

     

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Quote from: karlhenning on August 21, 2015, 10:33:16 AM
Because that's how the G.O.P. colors the process:  Carly Fiorina in the bizarre position of having to say, Yes, Jesus is my personal Savior.  Thank God she ain't Muslim!

      I don't see that as bizarre. Besides, no one is forced to lie, it's practically expected. She has the option of "believing in a higher power", too.

      Ugh...the article indicates Carly "thinks" savioristic beliefs fight cancer. The policy implications are rather gruesome, so let's hope she's bullshitting like politicians do. Chances are that's exactly what it is.
     

     
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Quote from: Brian on August 21, 2015, 11:37:59 AM
I also saw where four different GOP candidates - including Donald Trump!! - are the children of immigrants.

But they were the right kind of immigrants.

kishnevi


Gurn Blanston

Quote from: drogulus on August 21, 2015, 11:42:59 AM
     
      I don't see that as bizarre. Besides, no one is forced to lie, it's practically expected. She has the option of "believing in a higher power", too.

      Ugh...the article indicates Carly "thinks" savioristic beliefs fight cancer. The policy implications are rather gruesome, so let's hope she's bullshitting like politicians do. Chances are that's exactly what it is.

:D  Yes, chances are. I hope.... :-\

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Todd

Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on August 21, 2015, 11:55:49 AM
BTW, there is one other GOP candidate who seems to be totally under the radar.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Everson


He wants to reestablish the draft.  The Republican equivalent of Lincoln Chafee, who wants to adopt the metric system?
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Todd

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Quote from: Todd on August 23, 2015, 07:19:45 AM
Thank goodness there are 443 more days to go . . .

That still leaves a lot of oxygen for El Tupé to suck in!
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James

What a joke the USA is, the laughing stock of the world .. it's nowhere near 2016 yet and the long-winded circus is on  .. to be "the puppet" of one of the most hated and bankrupt industrial countries in the world. Can't they intelligently do this shit a couple of months prior to the actual election? The pageantry is beyond ridiculous and overblown. Most of these assholes spend more money to get a job that will pay less.
Action is the only truth

Todd

Quote from: James on August 23, 2015, 08:15:19 AMMost of these assholes spend more money to get a job that will pay less.



True, but post-presidency book deals and speaking fees can earn Clintonesque money.
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya