Countdown to Extinction: The 2016 Presidential Election

[28Orot]

Well, you do understand, Saul, the difference between "they controlled all of Africa" and the speculative assertion that they could have conquered it all.

Yes I do, I think you guys are a little too punctilious with what I said, but thats fine I wasn't trying to pass along a history lesson.

[Todd]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa_(Roman_province)

Yes, the Romans controlled northern Africa.  Africa is named for a Roman.  Again, basic facts.  Now, how far south of the Sahara did the legions march?

[North Star]

See, this is how epistemic closure works. You make a statement like this about "they" believe, there being no referent for "they". Then everyone agrees that this is what "they" are like and goes away feeling like some of their ideas have been vindicated. When challenged (like I am doing now) it's easy to retroactively define some "they" and dismiss the challenge. The thing is, it would be easy to recognize if you saw it in another context.

Well, for instance those people who interrogated my relatives when they moved to the US from Finland, thought they were communists simply because they were from Finland.

Erm, all of Africa?

And all of Europe? Here's a map. I believe there's some more Europe in the north of the map, too.

[Todd]

Yes I do, I think you guys are a little too punctilious with what I said, but thats fine I wasn't trying to pass along a history lesson.

Of course you weren't.  However, if you can't present basic facts accurately, and if those misstatements of fact are supposed to lend weight to your argument - which they are - then factual errors begin to erode the strength of your argument.

[Ken B]

And all of Europe? Here's a map. I believe there's some more Europe in the north of the map, too.

He meant all the good bits.

[28Orot]

Yes, the Romans controlled northern Africa.  Africa is named for a Roman.  Again, basic facts.  Now, how far south of the Sahara did the legions march?

Oh fighting invisibles is not an argument. They basically controlled all of Africa.
What is Africa?

Egypt is Africa. You control the superpower of that continent you control the continent...

[Todd]

They basically controlled all of Africa.
What is Africa?

Egypt is Africa. You control the superpower of that continent you control the continent...

Incorrect.

[28Orot]

Of course you weren't.  However, if you can't present basic facts accurately, and if those misstatements of fact are supposed to lend weight to your argument - which they are - then factual errors begin to erode the strength of your argument.

Ok, The Greatest empire of the world at that time, not the empire who controlled most of the world. But still I don't believe that that inaccuracy hurt my argument, I think my point still stands regardless.

[28Orot]

Incorrect.

Egypt was controlled by Rome, it was a Roman province. Egypt in many ways is Africa. It was the most important and wealthiest country in that continent, and it was controlled by Rome. So if the most powerful country in Africa was under Roman Control, what does it say about the rest of Africa... you need to connect the dots a little.

[North Star]

He meant all the good bits.

The fool doesn't even appreciate Highland Whisky.

[28Orot]

Well, for instance those people who interrogated my relatives when they moved to the US from Finland, thought they were communists simply because they were from Finland.And all of Europe? Here's a map. I believe there's some more Europe in the north of the map, too.

Germania was controlled by Rome at that point, what little that is left of Europe is just that, little.

[Madiel]

28Orot, your "religious" message is the kind of nonsense peddled by many people who seem to have lost the Book of Job from their Bible.

[North Star]

Germania was controlled by Rome at that point

The map shows the largest extent to which Rome controlled Europe, or Germania.

what little that is left of Europe is just that, little.

At its height, the entire Roman Empire was 5 million km². Europe is a bit over 10 million km².

[28Orot]

28Orot, your "religious" message is the kind of nonsense peddled by many people who seem to have lost the Book of Job from their Bible.

What the book of Job had to do with this?

[28Orot]

The map shows the largest extent to which Rome controlled Europe, or Germania.At its height, the entire Roman Empire was 5 million km². Europe is a bit over 10 million km².

And this map shows their reach was even deeper into Germania...

[Brian]

28Orot, your "religious" message is the kind of nonsense peddled by many people who seem to have lost the Book of Job from their Bible.

Let alone that annoying bit about a camel and a needle.

[Brian]

Also: so, this is Saul, huh? Oh dear...

[28Orot]

Let alone that annoying bit about a camel and a needle.

No I don't believe the teaching of Jesus about the camel and he needle...of course not.

[28Orot]

Also: so, this is Saul, huh? Oh dear...

[Brian]

No I don't believe the teaching of Jesus about the camel and he needle...of course not.

What is your objection to that teaching?