Countdown to Extinction: The 2016 Presidential Election

[Gurn Blanston]

I am reporting this to the moderators. Another moderator please. One I can respect.

2 way street.

[28Orot]

and here is what he wrote a month ago
http://www.dailywire.com/news/5474/5-arguments-voting-trump-and-why-they-fail-ben-shapiro

all of it true today as it was a month ago.

Yea Ben is brilliant

[Todd]

Some commentators have made arguments for Hoover, Nixon, Grant, and William Henry Harrison, who died after only a month.

Seems a bit unfair to include WHH among the worst.  He's more of an asterisk in the annals of the Presidency. 

[Ken B]

2 way street.

You will then recuse yourself as moderator from any matter involving me.

[Brian]

Seems a bit unfair to include WHH among the worst.  He's more of an asterisk in the annals of the Presidency.

I agree - though I'm prejudiced, as he's the only president "from" my home state of Indiana, so as schoolkids we were taught to think kindly of him.

[Archaic Torso of Apollo]

Seems a bit unfair to include WHH among the worst.  He's more of an asterisk in the annals of the Presidency.

He's the only president that (as far as I know) I'm related to. At least he didn't stick around long enough to screw things up.

[Gurn Blanston]

You will then recuse yourself as moderator from any matter involving me.

You will bite my ass. I am not here as a moderator, I have every right to express my opinions just like any other member of this forum. My lack of respect for anything you have to say is based on everything you have to say, not on my beliefs or my responsibilities as a moderator. For an intelligent person, you often speak as one who isn't, which surprises me, really. I would think you would have more pride than that.

GB

[bhodges]

OK, folks, locking this topic for at least a day or so.

Meanwhile, consider exploring some music - the main purpose of this board.

--Bruce

[knight66]

Cooling off period now over.
Topic opened again for business.

BUT: the 'business' is discussion of the relevent issues and any behaviour regarded as trolling will be dealt with. Let's be careful with one another and that includes mods, with care flowing in both directions. We have taken note of the comments suggesting that members should have a good track record: posting on musical issues to earn the right to contribute here. We won't leave intact posts from anyone who seems not to be primarily interested in discussing music but thinks they have found an ideological soapbox here.

We have been pleasantly surprised that this topic ran for so long without any significant input from the mods. Here's to a return to what might be termed business as usual for this topic.

Knight

[Brian]

I'll break the seal with a thoroughly bland news item...Bernie and Hillary have arranged to meet on Tuesday to talk about party platform.

[knight66]

IE, Who gets the chair over the booby hatch in the platform.

Mile

[(poco) Sforzando]

I agree - though I'm prejudiced, as he's the only president "from" my home state of Indiana, so as schoolkids we were taught to think kindly of him.

Although I have four others (two distinguished, i.e., both Roosevelts, and two nonentities, Van Buren and Fillmore), I hope in the unfortunate case that The Donald is elected, schoolkids in the future will not be taught to think kindly of him.

[Ken B]

Although I have four others (two distinguished, i.e., both Roosevelts, and two nonentities, Van Buren and Fillmore), I hope in the unfortunate case that The Donald is elected, schoolkids in the future will not be taught to think kindly of him.

See I find that odd. I would hope he would, contrary to my expectations, prove to be such a good and wise president he'd deserve such treatment.

[(poco) Sforzando]

See I find that odd. I would hope he would, contrary to my expectations, prove to be such a good and wise president he'd deserve such treatment.

As Carmen says in Bizet's opera, "il est doux d'espérer."

[kishnevi]

Although I have four others (two distinguished, i.e., both Roosevelts, and two nonentities, Van Buren and Fillmore), I hope in the unfortunate case that The Donald is elected, schoolkids in the future will not be taught to think kindly of him.

You forgot Cleveland and Arthur.  Although they don't necessarily raise the quality level.  And your state gets the blame for Hillary as well.

My home state has, to be technical, five
J. Adams
J.Q. Adams
Coolidge
Kennedy
GHW Bush (he was born in Milton)

And in our lifetime three losing candidates
Dukakis
Kerry
Romney

[(poco) Sforzando]

You forgot Cleveland and Arthur.  Although they don't necessarily raise the quality level.  And your state gets the blame for Hillary as well.

Grover was born in Jersey, Chet and Calvin in Vermont. Hillary not elected yet but born in Chicago.

[kishnevi]

Grover was born in Jersey, Chet and Calvin in Vermont. Hillary not elected yet but born in Chicago.

Wikipedia gives both birthplace and state of primary affiliation.  By the latter you get Grover and Chester, we get Calvin.

[(poco) Sforzando]

Wikipedia gives both birthplace and state of primary affiliation.  By the latter you get Grover and Chester, we get Calvin.

I was referring to birthplace only.

[28Orot]

I'll break the seal with a thoroughly bland news item...Bernie and Hillary have arranged to meet on Tuesday to talk about party platform.

The super delegates system is a rigged system, I also think that its not democratic..

[Ken B]

The super delegates system is a rigged system, I also think that its not democratic..

That's its purpose, to be able to override the votes. But so what. The dems like the GOP are a private club and can pick whom they choose.