Countdown to Extinction: The 2016 Presidential Election

[Ken B]

Most recently, this:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/aug/01/hillary-clinton/hillary-clintons-wrong-claim-fbi-director-comey-ca/

Thank you for saving me the effort. Frankly I tire of these "I've never heard of Google" tactics used by some here.

There are no good candidates here folks.

[mc ukrneal]

Thank you for saving me the effort. Frankly I tire of these "I've never heard of Google" tactics used by some here.

There are no good candidates here folks.

That's true But did she lie about cooperating with the FBI or not?

[Ken B]

FFS
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-hillary-clinton-cyber-attack-000000269.html


State department too
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/26/hillary-clintons-inner-circle-refused-to-cooperate/

[(poco) Sforzando]

"I mean, she lied. She, pure and simple, she only knows to lie. She really does. She only knows to lie. But she lied, and it's a big story."

- Trump

He seems to be sounding more and more like Holden Caulfield.

[Ken B]

"I mean, she lied. She, pure and simple, she only knows to lie. She really does. She only knows to lie. But she lied, and it's a big story."

- Trump

He seems to be sounding more and more like Holden Caulfield.

Or the Atlantic. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/why-hillary-clinton-keeps-lying/493841/

Give the man his due. Trump is full of shit on many topics, but this time he has a point.

[mc ukrneal]

FFS
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-hillary-clinton-cyber-attack-000000269.html


State department too
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/26/hillary-clintons-inner-circle-refused-to-cooperate/

Thank you. Though I would point out that the second article has nothing to do with the FBI - it refers to the State Department investigators. I'd also point out that one can cooperate with the FBI and not give them everything they want. But my immediate interest is solved.

[Ken B]

Thank you. Though I would point out that the second article has nothing to do with the FBI - it refers to the State Department investigators.

That's why I labelled it "State department too" 

[(poco) Sforzando]

Or the Atlantic. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/why-hillary-clinton-keeps-lying/493841/

Give the man his due. Trump is full of shit on many topics, but this time he has a point.

You're missing my point. He's incapable of making an adult-sounding, maturely nuanced argument. He sounds like an incoherent high-school kid.

[Karl Henning]

You're missing my point. He's incapable of making an adult-sounding, maturely nuanced argument. He sounds like an incoherent high-school kid.

On his good days.

And so few of his days are good this week.

[Rinaldo]

There are no good candidates here folks.

Is anybody here saying that? It's just that the magnitude of Clinton's flaws is nowhere near Trump's. He's in an entirely different ballpark

[Todd]

https://www.youtube.com/v/qlVUKNbVTlg


Heard backstage after the rally:

"Mr Trump, Mr Trump, it's kiss babies and shake hands."

[Pat B]

You're missing my point. He's incapable of making an adult-sounding, maturely nuanced argument. He sounds like an incoherent high-school kid.

I'd say petulant but not incoherent. More importantly: his schtick has worked better than anybody expected.

[zamyrabyrd]

Hillary tells people what they want to hear. That is so boring.
Trump is the master of the unexpected and therefore memorable.
He also managed to sweep away as an unexpected byproduct, the hegemony of the Bush coalition that goes back a century.
When the lid is pulled of that one, the backed up garbage stinks to high heaven, re: the profiteering of Samuel Bush in WWI, Yale University's Order of the Skull and Bones in the 1920, the breeding ground of the future moguls, Prescott Bush and his Nazi connection, all the way up to and including Haliburton.
Trump destroyed Jeb with a one-liner, calling him a lightweight.
I find that fantastic.
Such an elegant knocking down gives voice to the unarticulated frustrations of the common people who know they are being screwed big time but feel utterly helpless to do anything about it.

[Karl Henning]

I'd say petulant but not incoherent. More importantly: his schtick has worked better than anybody expected.

Hillary tells people what they want to hear. That is so boring.
Trump is the master of the unexpected and therefore memorable.
He also managed to sweep away as an unexpected byproduct, the hegemony of the Bush coalition that goes back a century.
When the lid is pulled of that one, the backed up garbage stinks to high heaven, re: the profiteering of Samuel Bush in WWI, Yale University's Order of the Skull and Bones in the 1920, the breeding ground of the future moguls, Prescott Bush and his Nazi connection, all the way up to and including Haliburton.
Trump destroyed Jeb with a one-liner, calling him a lightweight.
I find that fantastic.
Such an elegant knocking down gives voice to the unarticulated frustrations of the common people who know they are being screwed big time but feel utterly helpless to do anything about it.

I appreciate all these points.

[Karl Henning]

If you are repeatedly having to say, in very strong terms, that what he has said is unacceptable, why are you still endorsing him?

The last couple of days show that "He's better than Hillary" is complete garbage.

[Ken B]

He's not better than Hillary; IMO he's worse. But neither is he so much worse no rational person can disagree.

[Pat B]

He's not better than Hillary; IMO he's worse. But neither is he so much worse no rational person can disagree.

Well, it's Jennifer Rubin. Civility is not a priority. And support from the likes of her sure doesn't make me feel any better about Clinton.

On a different note: I looked at the electoral map last night and it appears that Trump needs to win NC and FL and OH and PA. That seems like a steep climb. Of course, a lot can happen in 3 months.

[Ken B]

Well, it's Jennifer Rubin. Civility is not a priority. And support from the likes of her sure doesn't make me feel any better about Clinton.

On a different note: I looked at the electoral map last night and it appears that Trump needs to win NC and FL and OH and PA. That seems like a steep climb. Of course, a lot can happen in 3 months.

How did you count say Michigan? I think Trump might be able to do well here.

In general I agree: unless something happens Hillary will win. This year the debates might actually matter. They both seem like weak debaters to me. But Trump is probably more gaffe-prone, at least in terms of some petulant reaction. If Hillary can subtly give him the needle -- not the hands thing please -- he might blow his top.

[Karl Henning]

He's not better than Hillary; IMO he's worse. But neither is he so much worse no rational person can disagree.

"Paul [Manafort] has good influence with Donald," said Charlie Black, a longtime GOP strategist and former business partner of Manafort. "But he's Donald and he's going to operate stream of consciousness a lot of times. You just hope he'll have more days on message than days on consciousness."

What rational person — no, wait: what rational American — would want that in the White House?  "You just hope..."

[Karl Henning]

He's been seven days not quite getting over — and, attention-slut that he is, not getting over it on news media — the "vicious attack" of the Khans. He has the discipline of a pup in a truck full of dog chow.