Countdown to Extinction: The 2016 Presidential Election

[Madiel]

The dinosaur in the room is the socialist recasting of the US, that has been going on for a long time, so much that it is not even noticed anymore. The Clinton's tried with their version of universal health care that didn't succeed but under Obama was shoved down everyone's throat.

Yes, how dare the United States start noticing the benefits to society of generalised health care. Why, next they'll be doing things like noticing the benefits of minimum wages or gun control. Or the metric system.

We didn't rebel against the Brits just to end up moving into the 21st century alongside them! This country was founded in the 18th century and that's the way we like it. MAKE AMERICA ANTIQUE AGAIN!

PS Inspired by your strange use of the word "dinosaur". I don't think the folks trying to get the US to emulate reforms much of the world enacted decades ago are the dinosaurs here. Leaders of the free world? You trail the rest of the free world in any number of ways. Ways that actual science and facts, as opposed to rampant patriotic ideology and pride, have explained how to fix.

[Herman]

Hillary seems to have full mental capacity when it comes to lying about her emails as Secretary of State and the Benghazi incident. There is a whole trail of corruption before those of course.
Alleged neurological conditions can impair mental functioning. What other explanations are there for head bobbing and frozen expressions?

The explanation is that there's literally years of footage of Clinton, under any circumstances.

Imagine if you were under constant camera scrutiny, how stupid and "incapacitated" you could be made to look  -  especially if you had had a job (State) that involved a brutal intercontinental flying schedule. (Talk about being physically unfit for office.)

So, technically, there is so much material and the media can just pick a couple of unflattering seconds and repeat those over and over again, to feed the latent misogyny in the general public. (There's a whole paparazzi industry of guys looking for "wardrobe malfunctions", "underskirts", "sideboobs", unfortunate bikini pictures for people who hate other people's bodies.)

Just for comparison: it's common knowledge that Trump does not like to spend the night anywhere else than in his own home. Otherwise he gets cranky.

[Herman]

Likability and health aside, the one with an official endorsement from Planned Parenthood is despicable. She is no friend of women if she supports THAT.

wow, no, you're a real friend of women.

As for emotional control, her rages and acting out are famous

I never even heard of that. But then I don't peruse the kind of media you seem to do.

Donald Trump is no saint but as an outsider he has the advantage of not being beholden to special interest groups who need to be paid back once he gets into office.

this is a huge fallacy. In the first place Trump is a huge special interest himself. He has repeatedly stated, clearly, he pictures the presidency as an opportunity to go after people and institutions detrimental to his way of doing business, banana-republic style, prosecuting judges, firing librul fed employees, changing the Constitution (as if) to muzzle the press etc.

In the second place it's pretty clear he's in hock in a yuge way to foreign lenders, among which some pretty shady Russian billionaires, whose bidding he's already been doing by talking about NATO and the Baltics in an unprecedented way.
So there you go.

The notion of Hillary being Lady President makes my skin crawl.

this may be because you appear to be a raging misogynist.

[zamyrabyrd]

Quote from: zamyrabyrd on Today at 08:55:06 PM
Likability and health aside, the one with an official endorsement from Planned Parenthood is despicable. She is no friend of women if she supports THAT.
wow, you're off the deep end.

PP depicts abortion, their MAIN million $ business, like a walk in the park. It not only kills millions of human beings but abets misery to the women who are duped into it, the very antithesis of motherhood. This is not to go into their selling baby parts for hard cash. How horrible!
WHO is off the deep end?  Those who are willfully blind to this evil.

this may be because you appear to be a raging misogynist.

Oh sure, I hate my own gender. It looks like you need someone to throw you a lifebuoy or life preserver.
(If you dislike Hillary, you must be a woman-hater, that's a good one!)
I do hate b****es, however, who give other women a bad name.

[zamyrabyrd]

Yes, how dare the United States start noticing the benefits to society of generalised health care. Why, next they'll be doing things like noticing the benefits of minimum wages or gun control. Or the metric system.
We didn't rebel against the Brits just to end up moving into the 21st century alongside them! This country was founded in the 18th century and that's the way we like it. MAKE AMERICA ANTIQUE AGAIN!
PS Inspired by your strange use of the word "dinosaur". I don't think the folks trying to get the US to emulate reforms much of the world enacted decades ago are the dinosaurs here. Leaders of the free world? You trail the rest of the free world in any number of ways. Ways that actual science and facts, as opposed to rampant patriotic ideology and pride, have explained how to fix.

Socialized medicine like they have in Cuba, North Korea? Insurance rates have gone UP, not down, since Obamacare. But the worst is people do not have a CHOICE anymore, they can't really opt out if they want. Sometimes, antique is better.

[Madiel]

Socialized medicine like they have in Cuba, North Korea?

Oh Lordy. You're one of those. Someone who sees no distinction between Australia, the UK, Scandinavia, Cuba and North Korea.

If you think Obamacare is somehow capable of being equated with North Korean medicine then further conversation is pointless. It's a waste of my time talking to someone like that.

And the complaint that people can't opt out... opt out of WHAT exactly? "No, we don't want our employees to be treated, we'd prefer to watch them die" might be an argument, but it sure as hell isn't a good argument. It isn't even a good way to run a business.

[zamyrabyrd]

It's a waste of my time talking to someone like that.

Likewise, do me a favor!

[Herman]

Oh sure, I hate my own gender. It looks like you need someone to throw you a lifebuoy or life preserver.
(If you dislike Hillary, you must be a woman-hater, that's a good one!)
I do hate b****es, however, who give other women a bad name.

Well, sorry, everything you say is right out of the misogynist playbook.

Trump can be as rude, boorish and hateful as he wishes, and you're okay with that. Because he's a man.

Hillary is shrill sometimes and stressed. She's in charge and not baking cookies. Well, in that case she deserves our hatred.

This is the way women have been kept out of leadership positions.

[71 dB]

In my opinion Donald Trump is at his best (funniest) inside a wrestling ring:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMKFIHRpe7I

[zamyrabyrd]

Well, sorry, everything you say is right out of the misogynist playbook.
Trump can be as rude, boorish and hateful as he wishes, and you're okay with that. Because he's a man.
Hillary is shrill sometimes and stressed. She's in charge and not baking cookies. Well, in that case she deserves our hatred.This is the way women have been kept out of leadership positions.

What is the "misogynist playbook"? Do you have a copy by your bedside?
Does wounded-bird Hillary appeal to your "knight-in-shining-armor" sensibility?
Hillary with all her clichés that you seem to have swallowed is not the vanguard of female rights.
Planned Parenthood's endorsement is enough to damn her in my books.
PP is anti-woman. That should be the beginning and end of any discussion about her and her being an advocate for us.
Oddly enough, your arguments do not state any facts or rational concerns, as mine do, but throw around emotional rhetoric, that was supposed to be characteristic of empty-headed females.

[Florestan]

This is the way women have been kept out of leadership positions.

I beg your pardon? Hillary Clinton was, is, and will likely be, in a leadership position; she had, has and will likely have more power than most US males taken together can dream of. To present her as a helpless, frail woman confronted with vicious mysoginistic attacks aimed at preventing her getting into a leadership position is disingenuous.

And no, I am no Trump fan, I actually cross my fingers for her.

[North Star]

I beg your pardon? Hillary Clinton was, is, and will likely be, in a leadership position; she had, has and will likely have more power than most US males taken together can dream of. To present her as a helpless, frail woman confronted with vicious mysoginistic attacks aimed at preventing her getting into a leadership position is disingenuous.

One swallow does not a summer make.

[zamyrabyrd]

One swallow does not a summer make.

I'd have more respect for HRC if she actually baked some cookies now and then. It would be a form of solidarity with the rest of us who don't find it demeaning.

[Florestan]

One swallow does not a summer make.

True, but Mrs Clinton is hardly an example of a victim of mysogyny.

[Karl Henning]

I'd have more respect for HRC if she actually baked some cookies now and then. It would be a form of solidarity with the rest of us who don't find it demeaning.

Likewise, perhaps, I found it laughable when the elder Bush (who I am sure is not a bad egg, truly) was prevailed upon to go shop for a gallon of milk.

But almost anyone who is in a social position to run for these offices, is de facto out of my financial league.  And if you did not have the skin-crawlies with Hillary, you would feel a quite comparable lack of comeraderie with El Tupé.

[Karl Henning]

True, but Mrs Clinton is hardly an example of a victim of mysogyny.

That was a canard regularly tossed around by Clintonistas during the primaries: "If you vote for Bernie, you're a misogynist!"

[Florestan]

But almost anyone who is in a social position to run for these offices, is de facto out of my financial league. 

Has it ever been otherwise?

[North Star]

True, but Mrs Clinton is hardly an example of a victim of mysogyny.

You mean, because she has survived it? And that is very much beside the point. Name one other woman who has made it as far as she has in US politics.

https://www.youtube.com/v/i_7GrRw6S64

[Madiel]

You mean, because she has survived it? And that is very much beside the point. Name one other woman who has made it as far as she has in US politics.

https://www.youtube.com/v/i_7GrRw6S64

You're trying to use logic about trends. It won't work. It's the same effect that leads people to argue that a single cold snap proves that global warming isn't happening.

[zamyrabyrd]

Likewise, perhaps, I found it laughable when the elder Bush (who I am sure is not a bad egg, truly) was prevailed upon to go shop for a gallon of milk.
But almost anyone who is in a social position to run for these offices, is de facto out of my financial league.  And if you did not have the skin-crawlies with Hillary, you would feel a quite comparable lack of comeraderie with El Tupé.

I also appreciated the guilelessness of the wife of Bush I, showing her closet with her off-the-rack clothing. However, I woke up to the Bushes after the incursions into Kuwait and Iraq. I felt stupid having been drawn into the general hysteria of having to do something, anything, after 9-11.

El-Trompé to me is an unknown. He could go either way. It could be good or awful. But at least he is not part of the interlocking hegemonies that go back to Prescott Bush and his double dealings in WWi and WWII. It is a totally corrupt family. Trump blocked any ambitions by Jeb by calling him out as a lightweight.

Someone mentioned here that there has been much more coverage of the Clinton's, so there is more to nit pick and blow up. I know the type because there have been more than one lying beech in my life experience. She is a power-drunk narcissist who will stop at nothing to get what she wants.