Great underrated pieces.

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knight66

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on December 27, 2010, 07:39:10 AM
No, that's when you got your first recording of it, Sarge... :D  No, you're right, I was underrating it myself, since it sounded like a student work to me... great rambling thing... :)

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schweitzeralan

Quote from: lukeottevanger on August 04, 2007, 02:49:21 AM
Well, of course, I'd always promote certain of Janacek's works. And I'd argue that the finest of his works belong not near the front rank but right at the front rank of the repertoire. But I've argued that enough before...  ;D

But, honestly, Socrate is one of 'those' seminal pieces  - always described in the most glowing terms when it is described (it is, pretty unequivocally, Satie's masterpiece), and held up by musicians who do know it (like Cage) as a major influence. But outside that small circle, it is never discussed - the fact that you, Sean, (with your extensive listening history) haven't heard it rather bears out my point! Of course Satie's 'musique pauvre' by its very nature will never be pushed into the limelight; it will always be sidelined under by showier, more 'expressive' works (ugh)

Suk"s "Asrael Symphony," another great Czech work; Almendar Maranov's "Piano Concerto;" Joseph Marx's" Autumn" Symphony; and, to repeat my earlier posting,  Scriabin/Nemptin's "Mysterium."

DavidRoss

I read "underrated" as distinct from "less well known than it deserves to be IMHO."  Beethoven's 4th Symphony came first to mind, as a magnificent work fully equal to those surrounding it but which seems unfairly neglected.
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karlhenning

Quote from: DavidRoss on December 27, 2010, 08:42:37 AM
I read "underrated" as distinct from "less well known than it deserves to be IMHO."  Beethoven's 4th Symphony came first to mind, as a magnificent work fully equal to those surrounding it but which seems unfairly neglected.

This.

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 27, 2010, 08:45:08 AM
This.

And add the Eigth to list...it's only fault: bad luck coming between Seven and Nine.

Sarge
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starrynight

#165
Well of Beethoven's less acclaimed symphonies I actually like his 1st the most.  I love the last two movements virtually as much as the first two, such great melody.  I'm not sure I like the last movement of the 8th or the third movement of the 4th as much.

jimmosk

When asked by his pupil Carl Czerny why the Eighth was less popular than the Seventh, Beethoven is said to have replied, "because the Eighth is so much better."
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Philoctetes

D'Indy's Symphony No. 2 (more Mahler than Mahler plus before Mahler, I believe)

Brahmsian

Quote from: Philoctetes on December 29, 2010, 09:59:10 AM
D'Indy's Symphony No. 2 (more Mahler than Mahler plus before Mahler, I believe)

That is interesting and intriguing.  I will have to check it out.  I've only heard some of D'Indy's great chamber music.

Dax

A pedant writes
Quote from: schweitzeralan on December 27, 2010, 08:37:30 AM
Almendar Maranov's "Piano Concerto"
Alemdar Karamanov?
QuoteScriabin/Nemtin's "Mysterium."
Prefatory Action rather than Mysterium?

Elnimio

Works by middle of the century non-avangarde American composers such as Peter Mennin, William Schuman, Paul Creston, Walter Piston, Vincent Perishcetti, etc.

DavidRoss

Quote from: catalani on November 14, 2010, 01:39:48 PM
I'd like for people to list some of their favorite pieces of music that they feel are not performed as often as they should be.Or  said  in another way some really great pieces that are underrated. For example I think Allan Petterson's Seventh Symphony is a great symphony not performed often enough. Carl Ruggles' Sun Treader another one.
Hi, catalani, and welcome to the GMG forum!

How about: All the symphonies (except perhaps #2), the tone poems (except for Finlandia), the string quartet, songs, and incidental theatre music of Sibelius? (for starters)

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Taneyev

David: the Sibelius SQ? I believe he had 4. The last, "Voces Intimae", at least had been recorded many times, but the earlier 3 are almost absolutely unknown and never played.

DavidRoss

Quote from: Taneyev on January 13, 2011, 12:32:50 PM
David: the Sibelius SQ? I believe he had 4. The last, "Voces Intimae", at least had been recorded many times, but the earlier 3 are almost absolutely unknown and never played.
The first three are juvenilia.  The only mature quartet is Voces Intimae and it is underperformed.  Even folks who are aware of Sibelius often don't know that he wrote a great quartet.
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

Taneyev

That's because for every 100 listeners who know some famous composer symphonic works, there are maybe 20 who also listen and know his chamber.

Holden

Dag Wiren's Serenade for Strings
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Holden

mahler10th

1. Steinhammar - Midvinter
2. Rangstrom - Symphonies
3. Sibelius - Snofrid
4. Bruckner - String Quartet
5. Beethoven - Consecration of the House!

1. Steinhammar - Midvinter
- something when I first heard, I knew I'd heard it before, but didn't!

2. Rangstrom - Symphonies
- the whole set can be played on a single night.

3.  Sibelius - Snofrid
- strength, courage and resolution.

4.  Bruckner - String Quartet
- I wish he'd written as many as his Symphonies.

5.  Beethoven - Consecration of the House
- my favourite Beethoven ornament, because of the bassoons, any suggested good versions?

Dunstable

I would say Antichrist and Music of Spheres by Rued Langgaard. Don't even know if his music is played outside of Scandinavia?  :(

The new erato

Quote from: Dunstable on January 19, 2011, 01:55:27 PM
I would say Antichrist and Music of Spheres by Rued Langgaard. Don't even know if his music is played outside of Scandinavia?  :(
Are you sure he's played inside Scandinavia? Never seen him on any Norwegian concert programme. Lot's of stuff on him on this site, though. Just search.....; and welcome, by the way.

Dunstable

Quote from: erato on January 20, 2011, 12:04:48 AM
Are you sure he's played inside Scandinavia? Never seen him on any Norwegian concert programme. Lot's of stuff on him on this site, though. Just search.....; and welcome, by the way.

How sad.  :( I have heard his music both in Sweden and Denmark though.
And by the way - thank you  ;D