Top 5 Vaughan Williams works.

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Quote from: Christo on September 13, 2017, 10:07:52 PM
What strikes me, is that so many different works are mentioned: apparently RVW is a composer of more than the Tallis Fantasia.  8)

Of course, His oeuvre is vast, including practically all forms. There is plenty to choose from. I like the Tallis Fantasia a lot, but I didn't include it in my list. BTW, Sancta Civitas may be in another new list. This guy was very talented, I'm more and more amazed. There is none composition I don't like.

Mirror Image

Quote from: Mirror Image on February 08, 2017, 06:28:11 AM
Time to change up my list a bit:

Symphony No. 6
Flos Campi
Dona nobis pacem
5 Mystical Songs
Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis


I'm still quite happy with this list of mine overall, but I'd probably substitute Symphony No. 6 with Symphony No. 5.

vandermolen

#122
Here is my 'alternative' top VW five list.

Fantasia on the Old 104th Psalm Tune - I've always loved craggy work for piano, choir and orchestra.
Pilgrim's Progress - possibly his masterpiece - I've been very lucky to see it live twice
String Quartet No.2 'For Jean on Her Birthday' - occupies the same sound world as Symphony 6
Scott of the Antarctic Film Music - just released in its entirety on Dutton for the first time - very atmospheric and I'm fascinated by Captain Scott's doomed expedition to the South Pole.
Epithalamion - a late neglected oratorio. I even had a nice exchange by letter with Ursula Vaughan Williams about it (she wrote the libretto). It's a really lovely, gentle work. Do listen to it if you like VW's music - I often play it.
If I exclude the Scott music I'd included 'An Oxford Elegy' for narrator and orchestra which I like very much. I've noticed that all the works I've chosen are comparatively late VW compositions.

Another great, lesser known, work is the short bleak but moving one act Opera 'Riders to the Sea'.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Christo

Quote from: vandermolen on September 14, 2017, 05:06:57 PMHere is my 'alternative' top VW five list.
Another five 'great, but lesser-known':

Three Portraits from The England of Elizabeth (1955) - orchestra
The Bridal Day, a Masque (1938) - even finer in this original version IMO than the cantata Epithalamion that RVW made of it
Variations for Brass Band (1957)
Suite for Pipes (1939) - recorder quartet
Four Hymns for Tenor and Strings (1912)
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

Autumn Leaves

No order:

The Lark Ascending
Fantasia On A Theme By Thomas Tallis
Symphony #8
Symphony #3, "A Pastoral Symphony"
Toward The Unknown Region

Karl Henning

Quote from: Conor71 on September 15, 2017, 01:44:51 AM
No order:

The Lark Ascending
Fantasia On A Theme By Thomas Tallis
Symphony #8
Symphony #3, "A Pastoral Symphony"
Toward The Unknown Region

A strong list!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: vandermolen on September 14, 2017, 05:06:57 PM
Epithalamion - a late neglected oratorio. I even had a nice exchange by letter with Ursula Vaughan Williams about it (she wrote the libretto). It's a really lovely, gentle work. Do listen to it if you like VW's music - I often play it.

I do need to revisit this.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

vandermolen

"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vandermolen

Quote from: Christo on September 14, 2017, 10:16:33 PM
Another five 'great, but lesser-known':

Three Portraits from The England of Elizabeth (1955) - orchestra
The Bridal Day, a Masque (1938) - even finer in this original version IMO than the cantata Epithalamion that RVW made of it
Variations for Brass Band (1957)
Suite for Pipes (1939) - recorder quartet
Four Hymns for Tenor and Strings (1912)
Great list. Must look out for 'The Bridal Day'. The Brass Band Variations is featured on the forthcoming CD of A London Symphony (1920 Version) on Hyperion. Another lesser-known work that I really like is the Concerto for Two Pianos.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Karl Henning

Quote from: vandermolen on September 15, 2017, 07:04:26 AM
Lovely gentle late night music Karl.

I loaded all the RVW which I had converted to "soft copy" onto my phone, but I must not yet have converted this CD, Jeffrey!  Must remedy that this weekend!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Christo

Quote from: vandermolen on September 15, 2017, 07:06:51 AMMust look out for 'The Bridal Day'.
It is the 'missing link' (1938) between the 'oriëntal not-so-subdued erotic mysticism' (my words for lack of a better characterization) of Flos Campi (1925) and the intensely nostalgic but again also mystic lyricism of An Oxford Elegy (1949). I always thought that Flos Campi stands alone in his output, until I heard The Bridal Day - and saw this unexpected chain of compositions, starting perhaps with the Four Hymns for tenor, viola and strings (1914) and also Merciless Beauty for tenor, two violins and cello (1921).

Quote from: vandermolen on September 15, 2017, 07:06:51 AMThe Brass Band Variations is featured on the forthcoming CD of A London Symphony (1920 Version) on Hyperion.
It's very welcome, as there is hardly any really good version available until now. The re-orchestration for Winds is less convincing, nor is Gordon Jacob's orchestral version. Virtuoso brass, nothing else will do.  8)

Quote from: vandermolen on September 15, 2017, 07:06:51 AMAnother lesser-known work that I really like is the Concerto for Two Pianos.
More so than the original version? I love that one too, especially when played so well as by Thomson and Shelley:
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

Karl Henning

Quote from: Christo on September 15, 2017, 10:37:01 AM
It's very welcome, as there is hardly any really good version available until now. The re-orchestration for Winds is less convincing, nor is Gordon Jacob's orchestral version. Virtuoso brass, nothing else will do.  8)

Damn. The Veranda remains a dangerous place.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

vandermolen

#132
Quote from: Christo on September 15, 2017, 10:37:01 AM
It is the 'missing link' (1938) between the 'oriëntal not-so-subdued erotic mysticism' (my words for lack of a better characterization) of Flos Campi (1925) and the intensely nostalgic but again also mystic lyricism of An Oxford Elegy (1949). I always thought that Flos Campi stands alone in his output, until I heard The Bridal Day - and saw this unexpected chain of compositions, starting perhaps with the Four Hymns for tenor, viola and strings (1914) and also Merciless Beauty for tenor, two violins and cello (1921).
It's very welcome, as there is hardly any really good version available until now. The re-orchestration for Winds is less convincing, nor is Gordon Jacob's orchestral version. Virtuoso brass, nothing else will do.  8)
More so than the original version? I love that one too, especially when played so well as by Thomson and Shelley:

Yes, I prefer the two piano version - probably because I came to know the work through the Vronsky/Babin/Boult LP coupled with Symphony 8 and featuring that wonderful late painting of VW by Sir Gerald Kelly (not completed until after the composer's death - in 1961). The painting is held by the National Portrait Gallery in London although not on display.  ::) :'( :(
I think that version more significantly emphasises the percussive qualities of the piano which are a characteristic feature of the work.
That Chandos CD is excellent in all respects as I love both works and it features a lesser-known photo of the composer in old age.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Mirror Image

Today's list (and keeping with the one symphony per list rule) in no particular order -

Symphony No. 4
Flos campi
Sancta Civitas
Romance for viola & piano
On Wenlock Edge


vandermolen

Quote from: Mirror Image on May 24, 2019, 08:06:10 PM
Today's list (and keeping with the one symphony per list rule) in no particular order -

Symphony No. 4
Flos campi
Sancta Civitas
Romance for viola & piano
On Wenlock Edge


Ok here goes  :):
Symphony 8 (I like this more and more)
Sancta Civitas
Epithalamion
Three Portraits from the England of Elizabeth
Job
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Christo

#135
Quote from: vandermolen on May 24, 2019, 10:01:50 PM
Symphony 8 (I like this more and more)
Played it again yesterday and decided, once again, that I really cannot choose between symphonies Nos. 3, 5, 6, 8 and 9 - all staunch favourites as soon as I hear them.  ;D
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

Roasted Swan

#136
Quote from: Christo on September 15, 2017, 10:37:01 AM
It is the 'missing link' (1938) between the 'oriëntal not-so-subdued erotic mysticism' (my words for lack of a better characterization) of Flos Campi (1925) and the intensely nostalgic but again also mystic lyricism of An Oxford Elegy (1949). I always thought that Flos Campi stands alone in his output, until I heard The Bridal Day - and saw this unexpected chain of compositions, starting perhaps with the Four Hymns for tenor, viola and strings (1914) and also Merciless Beauty for tenor, two violins and cello (1921).
It's very welcome, as there is hardly any really good version available until now. The re-orchestration for Winds is less convincing, nor is Gordon Jacob's orchestral version. Virtuoso brass, nothing else will do.  8)
More so than the original version? I love that one too, especially when played so well as by Thomson and Shelley:


I agree that the original Brass Band version of the Variations is the one to go for HOWEVER the recent Brabbins/Royal College of Music "Brass Band" in no way sounds like a proper brass band - very well played though it is.  It sounds like orchestral players "playing" at brass band.  For the authentic sound allied to supreme virtuosity in this work look no further than Black Dyke here.....


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available for pence 2nd hand and the whole programme is excellent not just the RVW.  It really is a completely different league.........

EDIT:  Something about this ensemble didn't sound right to me - when did a Conservatoire provide 'specialist' training for brass band?.... never when I was at one for sure!

So I checked out the RCM website and indeed they offer a plethora of ensembles and orchestras for their students to participate in..... but no brass band is listed - www.rcm.ac.uk/life/preparingforprofession/ensembles/ .  So, as I thought, this is an ensemble of (very good) brass players from the College but in no way is it a brass band.  You only need to listen to a minute of this performance to know that but it irks me a little that Hyperion have 'faked' a name.  I guess it made for a cheap filler - I doubt they paid MU rates for that recording.......

Biffo

#137
For the moment -

A London Symphony (Final version)
Dona nobis pacem
Tallis Fantasia
The Pilgrim's Progress
Serenade to Music

Edit: Possibly replace the Serenade with Job; five is not enough

Mirror Image

Quote from: vandermolen on May 24, 2019, 10:01:50 PM
Ok here goes  :):
Symphony 8 (I like this more and more)
Sancta Civitas
Epithalamion
Three Portraits from the England of Elizabeth
Job

Symphony No. 8 is an astonishing piece, Jeffrey. I remember reading that when RVW played it back for some friends on piano that one of them wondered if it would have been better suited to call the work a sinfonietta instead of a symphony to which RVW replied, and I'm paraphrasing, "I don't care what you say! This is a symphony!" It's an unusual work in the RVW canon and I wonder if people who don't like it, which I can't imagine many fans of his music disliking it, whether they've given the work the proper amount of time to sink in? It took me a bit of time to understand Flos campi even though I was enchanted from start to finish.

Roasted Swan

Quote from: Mirror Image on May 25, 2019, 05:49:06 AM
Symphony No. 8 is an astonishing piece, Jeffrey. I remember reading that when RVW played it back for some friends on piano that one of them wondered if it would have been better suited to call the work a sinfonietta instead of a symphony to which RVW replied, and I'm paraphrasing, "I don't care what you say! This is a symphony!" It's an unusual work in the RVW canon and I wonder if people who don't like it, which I can't imagine many fans of his music disliking it, whether they've given the work the proper amount of time to sink in? It took me a bit of time to understand Flos campi even though I was enchanted from start to finish.


The Symphony I listen to least often and with least pleasure in the RVW canon.  Too much "trying things out" - I'm not convinced by the wind-only/strings only movements.  I still quite like it - but I find it the least impressive of an impressive cycle......  the work that engages RVW's head more than his heart.......