Five favourite French 20th Century symphonies.

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vandermolen

June 07, 2015, 04:48:08 AM
Tournemire: Symphony 3 'Moscow'
Sauguet: Symphony 1 'Expiatoire'
Magnard: Symphony 4
Sauguet: Symphony 3 'I.N.R.'
Damase: Symphony

PS Honegger is Swiss by the way.  8)
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

ZauberdrachenNr.7

#1
June 07, 2015, 05:42:42 AM
Isn't it interesting that France's most celebrated 20th CENTURY COMPOSERS shunned the symphony?...though not, of course, symphonic works.  Haven't heard a single Bacri or Bozza symphony, or your Damase, for that matter, and would like to.

Dutilleux #2
Françaix
Magnard #4
Messiaen Turangalîla
Roussel #3

Tentative list, this, je vais y réfléchir encore un peu.

Sergeant Rock

#2
June 07, 2015, 06:24:15 AM
Koechlin Seven Stars Symphony
Tournemire Symphony No.5 F minor
Magnard Symphony No.3 B flat
Magnard Symphony No.4 C sharp minor
Debussy La Mer (he called it three symphonic sketches, but we know better  ;) )


Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

vandermolen

#3
June 07, 2015, 07:55:21 AM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on June 07, 2015, 05:42:42 AM
Isn't it interesting that France's most celebrated 20th CENTURY COMPOSERS shunned the symphony?...though not, of course, symphonic works.  Haven't heard a single Bacri or Bozza symphony, or your Damase, for that matter, and would like to.

Dutilleux #2
Françaix
Magnard #4
Messiaen Turangalîla
Roussel #3

Tentative list, this, je vais y réfléchir encore un peu.

Yes, it is interesting. I like Francaix but didn't know he wrote a symphony. The Damase is a fine work which I'd strongly recommend, I think that you would like it in view of your other choices. I also like the last two Roussel symphonies and like the Dutilleux works which I have heard.

"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vandermolen

#4
June 07, 2015, 07:57:29 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 07, 2015, 06:24:15 AM
Koechlin Seven Stars Symphony
Tournemire Symphony No.5 F minor
Magnard Symphony No.3 B flat
Magnard Symphony No.4 C sharp minor
Debussy La Mer (he called it three symphonic sketches, but we know better  ;) )


Sarge
Must listen again to the Tournemire's, which I have in my collection. I don't know the Koechlin work but think that he was a very fine composer from the works that I have heard such as 'Persian Hours' in its piano and orchestral versions. Maynard No.3 is also very fine.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Sergeant Rock

#5
June 07, 2015, 08:58:49 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on June 07, 2015, 07:57:29 AM
Must listen again to the Tournemire's, which I have in my collection.

And I have to re-listen to No. 3 (and the others...it's been awhile).

SArge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

vandermolen

#6
June 07, 2015, 10:06:44 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 07, 2015, 08:58:49 AM
And I have to re-listen to No. 3 (and the others...it's been awhile).

SArge

It's terrific Sarge - currently my most listened to symphony.

Jeffrey
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

springrite

#7
June 07, 2015, 10:11:40 AM
Dutilleux 2
Sauguet 1
Sauguet 2
Roussel 3
Magnard 4
Do what I must do, and let what must happen happen.

Christo

#8
June 07, 2015, 10:43:13 AM Last Edit: June 08, 2015, 05:33:33 AM by Christo
Don't know that many modern French symphonies, for reasons already suggested (Debussy, Ravel, Pierné, Poulenc didn't write any, to mention a few favourite composers). And don't know Sauguet's four symphonies yet (though I guess I should). My handful:

Magnard 4
Tournemire 7 'Les Danses de la Vie'
Roussel 3
Schmitt 2
Dutilleux 2 'Double'

... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

Mr Bloom

#9
June 07, 2015, 11:13:37 PM
Schmitt : Symphonie concertante
Ferroud : Symphonie en la
Koechlin : Symphonie n°2
Roussel : Symphonie n°3
Gaubert : Symphonie en fa

EigenUser

#10
June 08, 2015, 01:55:52 AM
Messiaen Turangasaurus
Debussy La Mer
?
?
?

I still need to hear the Franck! I also remember really liking Dutilleux 1, but it has been over a year since I heard it.
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

Drasko

#11
June 08, 2015, 02:49:45 AM
Dutilleux 1 & 2
Roussel 3 & 4
Ropartz 2

Mr Bloom

#12
June 08, 2015, 04:50:27 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on June 08, 2015, 01:55:52 AM
I still need to hear the Franck! I also remember really liking Dutilleux 1, but it has been over a year since I heard it.
Franck's symphony is from 1888.

Dax

#13
June 08, 2015, 04:58:57 AM
And he's Belgian, isn't he?

Milhaud - Chamber Symphony no 3
Ibert - Symphonie Marine
Henry/Schaeffer - Symphonie pour un homme seul
?
?

vandermolen

#14
June 08, 2015, 08:01:35 AM
Quote from: springrite on June 07, 2015, 10:11:40 AM
Dutilleux 2
Sauguet 1
Sauguet 2
Roussel 3
Magnard 4

Great list. The Sauguet Symphony 2 has some lovely moments. The 'Expiatoire' remains my favourite but I have really been getting into No. 3 recently, especially the opening two movements.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vandermolen

#15
June 08, 2015, 08:03:05 AM
Quote from: Christo on June 07, 2015, 10:43:13 AM
Don't know that many modern French symphonies, for reasons already suggested (Debussy, Ravel, Pierné, Poulenc didn't write any, to mention a few favourite composers). And don't know Sauguet's four symphonies yet (though I guess I should). My handful:

Magnard 4
Tournemire 7 'Les Danses de la Vie'
Roussel 3
Schmitt 2
Dutilleux 2 'Double'

The Tournemire is on my new CD with Symphony 3, so really looking forward to hearing that.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Ken B

#16
June 08, 2015, 08:15:39 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on June 08, 2015, 01:55:52 AM
Messiaen Turangasaurus
Debussy La Mer
?
?
?

I still need to hear the Franck! I also remember really liking Dutilleux 1, but it has been over a year since I heard it.
:o ???

EigenUser

#17
June 08, 2015, 10:53:45 AM
Quote from: Mr Bloom on June 08, 2015, 04:50:27 AM
Franck's symphony is from 1888.
Oops, I forgot about the 20C requirement when I typed that!
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

ZauberdrachenNr.7

#19
June 08, 2015, 07:57:18 PM
Quote from: Ken B on June 08, 2015, 06:54:17 PM
Does Honegger count?

Nope, per the Geneva Convention.
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