Quick question. Is lacrisamo a part of Mozart's reqium. And why

Started by SKYIO, August 24, 2015, 10:01:33 AM

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SKYIO

Is Mozarts requiem so beautiful? I can't comprehend how someone could come up with what he did. A genius would be an understatement.

Jaakko Keskinen

Most of the Requiem was actually not by Mozart at all, but instead from Süssmayr's pen. Of the Lacrimosa movement Moe only composed the first eight bars. And yes, it is awesome.
"Javert, though frightful, had nothing ignoble about him. Probity, sincerity, candor, conviction, the sense of duty, are things which may become hideous when wrongly directed; but which, even when hideous, remain grand."

- Victor Hugo

Holden

The Lacrimosa is part of the Dies Irae sequence in the Requiem Mass. Verdi and Berlioz also included this part of the Mass in their famous requiems. It's all about the inevitable facing up to God for his judgement.

Mournfully be that day
On which from ashes shall arise
The guilty man to be judged;
O God, have mercy on him.
Gentle Lord Jesus,
Grant them eternal rest. Amen.
Cheers

Holden

SKYIO

Quote from: Alberich on August 24, 2015, 10:11:58 AM
Most of the Requiem was actually not by Mozart at all, but instead from Süssmayr's pen. Of the Lacrimosa movement Moe only composed the first eight bars. And yes, it is awesome.
what about the epic beginning that starts of silent?
If Sussmayr's pen wrote it why dont they get the credit and whats their next best achievement next to requiems masterpiece ?

Jaakko Keskinen

The beginning was fully composed by Mozart. Süssmayr is at times called a mediocre composer who nevertheless managed to rise to Mozart's level in finishing the Requiem.
"Javert, though frightful, had nothing ignoble about him. Probity, sincerity, candor, conviction, the sense of duty, are things which may become hideous when wrongly directed; but which, even when hideous, remain grand."

- Victor Hugo

Karl Henning

Quote from: Alberich on August 28, 2015, 11:02:44 AM
The beginning was fully composed by Mozart. Süssmayr is at times called a mediocre composer who nevertheless managed to rise to Mozart's level in finishing the Requiem.

The source-material was of the best  0:)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

SKYIO

Quote from: Alberich on August 28, 2015, 11:02:44 AM
The beginning was fully composed by Mozart. Süssmayr is at times called a mediocre composer who nevertheless managed to rise to Mozart's level in finishing the Requiem.
he basically rose to the peak of Mozarts excellence, his state of near death!? Lacrisimo is damn perfect. God this is just like a fairytale. The master of classical music dead and his spirit just able to muster enough power to shine on Sussmayr one last time!! Its like something out of the bible! The story of the average composer who was allowed to see through the eyes of the master, but then never again

Jo498

There are a few recordings that have the Lacrimosa stopping very abruptly, ending where Mozart had to stop. As for Suessmayr, it seems still an open question that he might have had access to material or sketches by Mozart that have not survived but it seems likely that he is mostly responsible for the later bits of the piece.

If you like the Mozart Requiem, check out the c minor mass K 427 (also unfinished) and Handel's Funeral Ode "The ways of Zion do mourn"; the Introitus section from Mozart's Requiem seems to be have been quite obviously inspiredy by Handel's piece.
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