Paris

[ZauberdrachenNr.7]

A French official just announced that at least one of the suicide-bombers entered Europe among a large group of Syrian refugees. That, no doubt, will fan the flames of anti-immigration sentiment. 

Why did the attackers choose a Death Metal concert? Do they have an especially sick sense of humor to match their politics?

[ibanezmonster]

So when is the PC police who with the slogan "Teach Men not to Rape" going to have a hastag "#TeachMuslimsNottoTerrorize"



Oh, and while I'm at it. When are the gun owners who say all Muslims are evil going to stop saying, "Oh, but not everyone who has a gun is a bad guy."

Just more and more makes hate this world. Being alone, away from people and social interaction is so underrated.

A French official just announced that at least one of the suicide-bombers entered Europe among a large group of Syrian refugees. That, no doubt, will fan the flames of anti-immigration sentiment. 

Sadly. That's what you get for helping those in the Middle East. 

Why did the attackers choose a Death Metal concert? Do they have an especially sick sense of humor to match their politics?

It's actually not a death metal band, but I wouldn't be surprised if they thought it was.

[Purusha]

If it is snark that you are seeking, snark you shall have:

[Purusha]

It's actually not a death metal band, but I wouldn't be surprised if they thought it was.

I'm pretty sure they targeted the place to score the highest number of victims, and not because they didn't like the music. But i could be wrong. Far from me to guess the motives of a mass murdering suicide terrorist.

[ZauberdrachenNr.7]

It's actually not a death metal band, but I wouldn't be surprised if they thought it was.

- Quite so, thanks! 

Also, this interesting info. from Wiki : "The Bataclan has been the subject of numerous threats for years because it was owned by Jews for decades (until September, 2015) and often held pro-Israel events, including celebrations for the Israel Border Police."

[Archaic Torso of Apollo]

Isn't the main problem that "the West" has helped destabilizing what little stability there was in the islamic world for many years now, playing favorites as long as some bastard was "our bastard", breeding a dozen potential terrorists for every one killed in a drone strike (and probably a hundred for every innocent child killed as collateral damage)?

Absolutely right. Overthrowing Qaddafi doesn't look so smart now, does it? And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

A French official just announced that at least one of the suicide-bombers entered Europe among a large group of Syrian refugees. That, no doubt, will fan the flames of anti-immigration sentiment. 

Anyone who was not completely obtuse could have seen this coming. ISIS was even boasting a while back about how many jihadists it was introducing into Europe among the "refugees." Unfortunately, the people in charge of Europe seem to be completely clueless, and have failed in their first duty, protecting their own citizens.

[vandermolen]

Perhaps because there are so many forums to discuss this, and because we don't want this forum to implode like so many other forums have? Of course I have strong feelings about this, but I will keep the to meyself here and focus of music, which is a great equalizer over many other differences.

I very much agree with this. It is difficult to know what to say - words seem inadequate.

[Jo498]

Do you really think that people who have the determination and organisation to carry out five or more coordinated suicidal attacks care whether it's easy to enter a country? They did not need a refugee crisis for 9/11, London or Madrid.
And don't forget that the "normal" refugees are fleeing from ISIS. Determined criminals and fanatics will find a way to carry out such attacks unless we introduce iron curtains and an even stronger surveillance state. Would that be to defend "European values" or rather give in to terror? I certainly expect that surveillance will become more strict and borders will not remain open like they used to be. But this will only slow down those with suicidal determination.

[Archaic Torso of Apollo]

They did not need a refugee crisis for 9/11, London or Madrid.

Don't know about London and Madrid, but 9/11 was able to happen because of criminally lax immigration enforcement. The Saudi hijackers didn't even bother to fill out their visa forms properly; they were just waved into the country.

However, preventing terrorism in the USA is a lot easier than in Europe, due to having oceans on two sides and non-threatening neighbors on the others. Europe has the disadvantage of being a lot closer to the conflict zone.

[Artem]

Perhaps because there are so many forums to discuss this, and because we don't want this forum to implode like so many other forums have? Of course I have strong feelings about this, but I will keep the to meyself here and focus of music, which is a great equalizer over many other differences.

Not that I'm against people discussing here whatever they want, but I couldn't express myself better that what new erato said. Wise words.

[kishnevi]

Don't know about London and Madrid, but 9/11 was able to happen because of criminally lax immigration enforcement. The Saudi hijackers didn't even bother to fill out their visa forms properly; they were just waved into the country.

However, preventing terrorism in the USA is a lot easier than in Europe, due to having oceans on two sides and non-threatening neighbors on the others. Europe has the disadvantage of being a lot closer to the conflict zone.

Donald Trump might take exception to that.  I mean, everyone knows those Mexicans want California and Texas back.

There is one thing Europe has that the US does not:  a large, European born, often disaffected Muslim underclass who are economically similar to the minority underclass here in the US:  poor and often dependent on government services, above normal crime rates, deep distrust of police and other representatives of the state,  living in slum areas, often under the influence of conservative religious figures who are deeply antiWestern even if they live in the West and enjoy its freedoms.  Anyone from that segment who turns to jihadism--and there are already a number of known instances--does not need to worry about border controls.
They've been there since birth.

[Rinaldo]

It is now reported that the passports were forgeries.

[Mandryka]

Islamophobic attack in Brittany today

http://www.islametinfo.fr/2015/11/15/bretagne-une-manifestation-degenere-un-passant-maghrebin-est-frappe-violemment/

Adsav is a Brittany secessionist party, extreme but as far as I know not extreme right wing. I am relieved we haven't seen more incidents like this so far.

And the leader of the French Republican Party was quick to demand major changes to François Holland's security policy today.

http://www.lesechos.fr/politique-societe/politique/021478790938-politique-de-securite-sarkozy-demande-des-modifications-drastiques-a-hollande-1175225.php

The French news is full of discussion about how attitudes have changed since the attacks in January.

So far, as far as I know, no  slogan has emerged with the unifying power of Je suis Charlie.

[Purusha]

So far, as far as I know, no  slogan has emerged with the unifying power of Je suis Charlie.

Well, you can put a transparent French flag on your Facebook profile picture. Not as grand as the Je suis Charlie slogan, but equally ineffective.

[Tannhäuser]

The fact is that France and Europe are endangered. People who don't live here can't understand, and all those who say the contrary are dangerous ideologists.

For decades our continent has been methodically occupied by foreigners who have no intention to adapt but want to transform Europe into a Muslim and predominantly Arab zone.

The recent attacks (I'm thinking about this weekend but also last january, or attacks in the recent years) are a demonstration of their capacity to do whatever they want to show they are the new masters while forbidding the others to simply protest. Today a white life in Europe is worth nothing if a Muslim wants to kill him. And besides terrorist attacks such events are daily (white people attacked and killed in the metro, in the banlieues, every day, just because they are white).

The system of "justice" has been put at the service of these people. They don't pay for their crimes and even when they go to prison they are put in the best conditions, with freedom to pray their god and become even more fanatic that they were. It is no wonder that some terrorists were converted or radicalized in prison.

There are two possible outcomes now. The first one becomes more and more probable every day : that Europe will soon be dominated by Islamism and submitted to shariah, and that white people will be slaves. In ten, twenty years this will be Europe if nothing is done today. The other outcome would be for European to rise again Muslims who are here for their war against us, to close all mosques, to gather them and send them (ALL of them) back to their countries of origin, where they came from (them or their parents). And to forbid more muslims to come and invade us, as more and more of them do every year, every month.

Europe has to proclaim officially that it is an essentially Christian zone, because this is our culture, our history, our common identity. Saving European culture, including the arts, including classical music, including literature (all things Muslims want to burn and destroy) also means defending our religion against its enemies, against Islam and its accomplices (I'm thinking about pro-muslim atheists). Thank god there are places like this board to still defend Western culture (wich essentially means historically European culture), but these are the last true places of freedom, where we are not first forced to bow in front of Allah and of his soldiers.

[Florestan]

And don't forget that the "normal" refugees are fleeing from ISIS.

Well, here are some facts that are brushed under carpet, or completely ignored, when it comes to discussing the issue.

Fact no.1: ISIS has a special border control unit whose mission is exactly to prevent anyone from fleeing. The punishment for anyone caught fleeing is crucifixion. Nobody gets in and out of ISIS-controlled territory without ISIS´ approval. Okay, maybe isolated groups of several persons could do it, but it is unthinkable that hundreds or even thousands of people escape en masse from ISIS-controlled territory.

Fact no. 2: ISIS-controlled territory has been shrinking this year. They suffered some serious blows especially from the Kurdish Peshmerga militias (these are the most courageous, determined and effective forces fighting ISIS although their weaponry is outdated while ISIS´ is almost brand new). On the ground, ISIS is actually on retreat.

Fact no. 4: There are three main groups of people who fled from ISIS en masse before ISIS got hold of their home land: Shia Muslims, Yazidis and Christians (this is the explanation of the fact that not a single one of the rich Sunni gulf states helped them or received them as refugees). All those people ended up in refugee camps in Turkey, which country pleeded for a long time for financial and material help from the EU in this respect, but to no avail.

Fact no. 5: The Turkish and Albanese mafia charge up to 10,000 Euros per person for getting one and one´s family to Europe. It is equally unthinkable that thousands of those poor and desperate people, who oftenly fled only with what little they could carry in a handbag, could pay such fabulous amounts of money.

Fact no. 6: At some point during the conflict, the Syrian and Iranian regimes in a concerted and deliberate action set free thousands of people who were serving terms in their jails for different crimes, among them terrorism and sedition. Most of them joined ISIS.

Fact no. 7: The majority of the refugees coming to Europe are males.

Let anyone do the math and draw one´s conclusions.

[Purusha]

The only solution is to double our efforts to bring in even more "refugees". Isn't this how it works?

Meanwhile, campuses all over America are marching in protest against the imaginary oppression of privileged, cobbled crybabies, while the push for normalizing pedophilia is already starting.

The west is dead. Gone. Done for. It has ceased to be. It is no more. It has expired and gone to meet its maker.

[Rinaldo]

Let anyone do the math and draw one´s conclusions.

You can run from ISIS before they get to your territory, y'know? And paying the family fortune to get the hell out of there is commonplace. That's why the refugees end up at the European borders without a dime to go any further, while well-funded individual terrorists have much easier and safer means to get over here.

Anyway, what you've provided are not facts 'brushed under the carpet', but simplifications and, in the case of "the majority being male", lies. If you don't believe in statistics, take a trip to the borders of Hungary, Croatia or Serbia, it is quite eye opening. The experiences of the amazing European volunteers who prevented a much larger humanitarian catastrophe, while their governments haggled over quotas, obliterate all the hoaxes and clichés (for example, many journalists were questioning the abundance of smartphones the Syrian refugees have, because people simply didn't realize that owning a smartphone is nothing special in Syria - and it's one of the best tools you can bring along on a trip like that) that are thrown around by hatemongers and outright xenophobes.

I'm not implying you belong to one of those despicable groups, but your 'math' doesn't align with reality.

[Purusha]

Don't pay attention to "facts" or "statistics". What matters is experiences. Check your logic and reason at the door, and simply listen and believe.

Of course, if those "experiences" happen to contradict a certain narrative, they ought to be suppressed:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/06/no-borders-activist-gang-raped-migrants-pressured-silence-not-damage-cause/

[North Star]

All those pathetic lowlife terrorists want is fear, chaos and war, because they do not know anything else. We win by taking those things away from them, not by giving them more of that.