Music and struggling

[North Star]

I really could kill Cato. Leaving the Holocaust aside (though I have no idea what he is referring too otherwise), his remarks are so disrespectful, malicious and stupid. And then to realize he thinks even high of himself.

Seriously, do you even think what you write?

[Henk]

Unfriended you all, Hamish, Brian, Karl and Karlo on Facebook. (there seems to be some kind correlation, since the ones bullying me here are the ones I was friends with on FB)

I don't want to be friends with barbarians.

[Karl Henning]

I see signs of a struggle, here.  Unmusical, to be sure.

[Henk]

I see signs of a struggle, here.  Unmusical, to be sure.

Yeah, Karl, let your struggle with music continue. You're on the right board.

[Brian]

From GMG Forum Rules

"Please treat other members of this forum with courtesy and respect. By all means, discuss and argue the topic at hand, but do not make personal attacks, belittle, make fun of, or insult another member."

Unfriended you all, Hamish, Brian, Karl and Karlo on Facebook. (there seems to be some kind correlation, since the ones bullying me here are the ones I was friends with on FB)

I don't want to be friends with barbarians.

I really could kill Cato. Leaving the Holocaust aside (though I have no idea what he is referring too otherwise), his remarks are so disrespectful, malicious and stupid. And then to realize he thinks even high of himself.

Yeah you are a bullying robot! Now it's finally clear to me..

Do you think you are an authority to say these kind of things? In fact, you are rather a nasty midget. Once more, I hate you.

[Henk]

From GMG Forum Rules

"Please treat other members of this forum with courtesy and respect. By all means, discuss and argue the topic at hand, but do not make personal attacks, belittle, make fun of, or insult another member."

You are bullying me, not the other way around.

Just defending myself against you all.

Another sign of weakness, Brian.

[Madiel]

Henk, no-one is bullying you. As I said previously, without any stake in this Nietzsche commentary, you are the one who is coming across as extremely nasty and aggressive.

[Henk]

Henk, no-one is bullying you. As I said previously, without any stake in this Nietzsche commentary, you are the one who is coming across as extremely nasty and aggressive.

Easy to clean up the behaviour of others in this way, since everybody here of course suits to agree with you.

Yeah, instead of bullying it is to be considered as signs of distinction and intelligence..

[Brian]

Henk, no-one is bullying you. As I said previously, without any stake in this Nietzsche commentary, you are the one who is coming across as extremely nasty and aggressive.

If Henk can point out places where (to quote the forum rules) Cato or Karl "make personal attacks, belittle, make fun of, or insult another member," he is more than welcome to point them out, or report them for moderator action (as I have reported several of his posts).

On (once again) closely reading through the thread, what I see is that Cato disagreed with Nietzsche, and called Nietzsche a name, and in response to that post, Henk wrote a series of replies, which started off acceptably but quickly became:

But what you say here, makes me deeply hate you.
Disgust and angriness I feel for you.

Henk

At this point, Cato had not addressed Henk personally at all. Then Karl said:

You're way out of line.  But my feelings are untouched.

ie, "You're violating forum rules" (perhaps true) and "don't worry, I don't hate you" (polite!! however, accidentally phrased so that an English-as-second-language person could easily misinterpret this politeness as a joke)

Nevertheless, Henk replied saying Karl is a big dumb bully.

The only person other than Henk guilty of a personal attack was me, and I have deleted it.

[Brian]

The original discussion on "Music and struggling" was GREAT and it would be great if we could continue it without personal attacks. Let's try to hit the "Restart" button soon, shall we??

[Henk]

At this point, Cato had not addressed Henk personally at all.

Yeah, that seems to be his tactic.

[Henk]

It's not that Cato did personally address me. It's just his arrogance. Part of it he said really malicious things considering Nietzsche, which makes it for me of arrogance of a higher order, for which I have no suitable words.

[Brian]

It's not that Cato did personally address me. It's just his arrogance. Part of it he said really malicious things considering Nietzsche, which makes it for me of arrogance of a higher order, for which I have no suitable words.

Hey, that's fair. That's understandable. But saying you want him to die is not an OK response. That should be obvious.

[Florestan]

THIS is true - not playing an instrument is something where I feel like I'm missing out, a lot. And certainly a major change over the past 100 years.

Yes, that is the only part of that Stravinsky paragraph that I can relate to.

[Henk]

Hey, that's fair. That's understandable. But saying you want him to die is not an OK response. That should be obvious.

You also need to include the bullying that was involved. Hamish was the subject to focus my aggression on as a consequence.

[Karl Henning]

You also need to include the bullying that was involved. Hamish was the subject to focus my aggression on as a consequence.

Nietzsche is a historical figure, and if anyone speaks critically of Nietzsche, and you get wound up over it, that problem resides completely with yourself.

This need to assign arrogance to any other person seems like an obsession.  Look in a mirror, buddy.

Others have observed that Hamish did not bully you in the least.  But you do rightly acknowledge your own aggression;  wish you weren't so determined to rationalize it, and that you would just apologize, and be done with it.

[Madiel]

Easy to clean up the behaviour of others in this way, since everybody here of course suits to agree with you.

Agrees with me on what? I haven't expressed any opinion on Nietzsche one way or the other. That's my point, that I don't have a stake in whether people agree or don't agree with Nietzsche's point of view.

What I do have an opinion on is your behaviour in this thread, that it is aggressive and disruptive. If that's what you're referring to everybody agreeing with me on, there's a real possibility that when you find yourself completely alone on one side of an issue it's because you're the one in the wrong.

[Karl Henning]

I'm a huge fan of Stravinsky;  the fact that Andrei has quarrels with something (or some number of somethings) Stravinsky said, even the fact that Andrei expresses himself with a degree of familiar scorn, does not bother me in the least, certainly does not interfere with my friendship with Andrei.  Andrei making himself free to criticize things that Stravinsky said does not in the least indicate "arrogance" on Andrei's part.

But, Andrei, you're dead wrong.

(Just kidding.)

[Henk]

Nietzsche is a historical figure, and if anyone speaks critically of Nietzsche, and you get wound up over it, that problem resides completely with yourself.

This need to assign arrogance to any other person seems like an obsession.  Look in a mirror, buddy.

Others have observed that Hamish did not bully you in the least.  But you do rightly acknowledge your own aggression;  wish you weren't so determined to rationalize it, and that you would just apologize, and be done with it.

Weak words, but ok let bygones be bygones.

[Henk]

Agrees with me on what? I haven't expressed any opinion on Nietzsche one way or the other. That's my point, that I don't have a stake in whether people agree or don't agree with Nietzsche's point of view.

What I do have an opinion on is your behaviour in this thread, that it is aggressive and disruptive. If that's what you're referring to everybody agreeing with me on, there's a real possibility that when you find yourself completely alone on one side of an issue it's because you're the one in the wrong.

Agree on that nobody bullied me.

If you can't reward my sense of humour, that's fine. I agree on you with the latest. I also have doubts about that myself, if it leads to something good. Of course I reflect on it, and thanks for your feedback. Everyone needs feedback and I got little here. Reason why I always consider leaving this group. Maybe I just want to leave in a victorious way..