Do You Think Scriabin is Underrated?

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Dancing Divertimentian

Quote from: Cato on August 12, 2018, 10:22:48 AM
In my younger days, I toyed with the idea of orchestrating the Ninth Sonata, but almost immediately - upon looking at my score of it - I saw all kinds of problematic questions, even on the opening page  (e.g. the descending figure in the left hand in bars 5-7, which adds a note every time it appears, from 3 16th-notes to 6 32nd-notes: should those resonate or not, and if so, for how long?).  To be sure, the problems are not insoluble, but...  $:)

I don't play an instrument, nor read music professionally, but the daunting task of just where to put all those scurrying, half-lit notes would put my head into some kind of warp! Oh wait! ;D
Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

Cato

Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on August 12, 2018, 12:56:14 PM
I don't play an instrument, nor read music professionally, but the daunting task of just where to put all those scurrying, half-lit notes would put my head into some kind of warp! Oh wait! ;D


;)

In spite of those difficulties, Alexander Nemtin orchestrated certain piano pieces in a work called Nuances, and also included some orchestrated piano works by Scriabin in his realization of the Prefatory Action.
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relm1

Quote from: Cato on August 20, 2018, 04:18:01 PM

;)

In spite of those difficulties, Alexander Nemtin orchestrated certain piano pieces in a work called Nuances, and also included some orchestrated piano works by Scriabin in his realization of the Prefatory Action.

I very much enjoy Nemtin's orchestration of Nuances as well as the multi CD Prefatory Act of Mysterium on the same release.  It's probably tbe best, most complete version we will ever hear of what might have been.  I think it is very successful. 

The Six

Scriabin seems to be mostly just an internet favorite. I've rarely seen his music programmed outside of piano competitions, and he's not played on the radio much. I think a lot of people who are only casual listeners of classical music don't even know who he is.

Uhor

Mature Scriabin doesn't develop and doesn't have any "good tunes", what is left is some kind of motivic teasing in the midst of changing textures and harmonic fields ultimately building to a climax.

The thing is, either you dig that or not.

relm1

Quote from: The Six on September 02, 2018, 02:43:00 PM
Scriabin seems to be mostly just an internet favorite. I've rarely seen his music programmed outside of piano competitions, and he's not played on the radio much. I think a lot of people who are only casual listeners of classical music don't even know who he is.

I've seen Poem of Ecstasy performed multiple times (especially by visiting Russian orchestras).  I've seen his massive Mysterium performed as well so he does get played quite a bit.  The first three symphonies though, don't seem to interest music directors as much as the later stuff.

André

Quote from: Uhor on September 02, 2018, 03:47:53 PM
Mature Scriabin doesn't develop and doesn't have any "good tunes", what is left is some kind of motivic teasing in the midst of changing textures and harmonic fields ultimately building to a climax.

The thing is, either you dig that or not.

I like your description, as well as your concluding statement. I'm still trying to figure if I enjoy it or not.

Ken B

Quote from: Uhor on September 02, 2018, 03:47:53 PM
Mature Scriabin doesn't develop and doesn't have any "good tunes", what is left is some kind of motivic teasing in the midst of changing textures and harmonic fields ultimately building to a climax.

The thing is, either you dig that or not.

I like early scriabin. He was very underrated by the man who became later scriabin...

Dancing Divertimentian

Quote from: Ken B on September 04, 2018, 12:30:37 PM
I like early scriabin. He was very underrated by the man who became later scriabin...


Sure, but the later works are where scriabin becomes Scriabin.....
Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

The Six

Quote from: Ken B on September 04, 2018, 12:30:37 PM
I like early scriabin. He was very underrated by the man who became later scriabin...

Later Scriabin continued to perform the works of early Scriabin quite a bit.

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