Dutch Composers

[Dundonnell]

A rar is a type of zip file, it's pretty standard and you'll probably run into it again in future, so it's worth the small download:

http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm (the top one)

I'll reupload those movements and any others you run into problems with.

Many thanks for your kindness!!

[Lethevich]

Edit: Actually damn! I forgot, my PC is having problems with my external hard drive at the moment, and that is where I have all the files from this thread. I may take a while to sort this out

Found a simple way around this. I rehosted them as the original place I got them from doesn't like its links being posted around (plus Rapidshare sucks! ), but as I'm not in a position to continue doing that atm, at least the original links are still active:

http://rapidshare.com/files/53809836/Dopper_Symphony_No_7.zip

http://rapidshare.com/files/74756382/Zweers_Symph3.zip

http://rapidshare.com/files/64854708/De_Lange_Symphony.zip

[Dundonnell]

Ok, that seems to be working! I had to join Rapidshare and pay for the downloading but that's a small price to pay!

Incidentally, Etcetera are releasing a CD on April 14th of music by Johan Wagenaar(1862-1941) with the Netherlands Radio Symphony Orchestra under Eri Klas. Should be interesting. Never heard any Wagenaar.

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

Ok, that seems to be working! I had to join Rapidshare and pay for the downloading but that's a small price to pay!

Hm - I have a Rapidshare account...

[Dundonnell]

The performance of Henk Badings 3rd Symphony broadcast by the BBC and linked in this thread is by the Residentie Orchestra, the Hague conducted by Willem van Otterloo. It was recorded in November 1955.

Just for info'!

[Christo]

The performance of Henk Badings 3rd Symphony broadcast by the BBC and linked in this thread is by the Residentie Orchestra, the Hague conducted by Willem van Otterloo. It was recorded in November 1955.

Actually, it's in the glorious 13 CD box with the 1950-60 recordings under Willem van Otterloo - at present on offer at JPC:

               

Some other Dutch compositions in this box are:

* Johan WAGENAAR (1862-1941) De Getemde Feeks Op. 25 (Overture) (1906) [6:12] rec. 3 April 1954 + Cyrano de Bergerac Op. 23 (1905) (Overture) [12:15] rec. 3 April 1954
* Alphons DIEPENBROCK (1862-1921) Music to Sophocles' Tragedy Electra (1919-20) (Symphonic Suite edited by Eduard Reeser1952) [17:36] rec. 8 May 1953
* Léon ORTHEL (1905-1985) Symphony No. 2 Piccola sinfonia Op. 18 (1940) [15:33] rec. Scheveningen, Kurhaus, October 1959*
* Sem DRESDEN (1881-1957) Dansflitsen (1951) [14:17] rec. 8 May 1953
* Hendrik ANDRIESSEN (1892-1981) Variations and Fugue on a Theme of Kuhnau (1935) [11:46] rec. 26 February 1952 + Ricercare (1949) [9:26] rec.5 June 1951

For the Orthel and Dresden pieces, these are the only recordings available, if I'm not mistaken.

[Dundonnell]

An expensive purchase though just for the Dutch pieces!

[Lethevich]

An expensive purchase though just for the Dutch pieces!

Indeed Apparently the rest of the performances are fantastic, though. MusicWeb gave it a real rave review.

[Christo]

An expensive purchase though just for the Dutch pieces!

`It can't be too much if it is for the Dutch'. But I should have writen: "at present on special offer with JPC", as I bought the set there for 20 euros (some 14 GBP or 30 USD), recently. Appearantly it's sold out by now, I couldn't find them anymore with JPC this afternoon.

As about Badings: CPO, the JPC label, started a series with his symphonies - all of them seem to be scheduled - recently, starting with Badings 2, 7, 12. I have it, but didn't find time to play it yet. Reviews tend to be very positive.

         

[pjme]

This Etcetera disc is now in the shops:



The (former) Dutch Radio SO is conducted by Eri Klas - Janny Zomer (soprano), Ingrid Nissen (oboe),
Johan Wagenaar - Orchestral Works
Levenszomer (orch.)
Sinfonietta (orch.)
Ouverture de Philosophische prinses (orch.)
Elverhoi (orch.)
Aveux de Phèdre ( soprano & orch.)
Larghetto ( oboe & orch.)

[Christo]

This Etcetera disc is now in the shops:
Johan Wagenaar - Orchestral Works

Yes, that's the other surprising new CD I observed, but didn't buy yet. It took me a lot of trouble to find the old Decca CD with Chailly conducting the Concertgebouw Orchestra in a series of these Johan Wagenaar works. The question being, of course, how much extras this new twofer offers, and at which quality.

[Harry]

Well I discovered another surprise which is on my order list already.

Jan van Gilse, (1881-1944)
Symphonies No. 1 & 2.
Netherlands SO/David Porcelijn.
Release date 15-5-2008.

Another Dutch composer of great quality, writing in the late Romantic style, very melodious, and full of good tunes.
They plan to release even more works from him.
After Rontgen and Badings, this is indeed good news!

[Christo]

Well I discovered another surprise which is on my order list already.
Jan van Gilse, (1881-1944) Symphonies No. 1 & 2. Netherlands SO/David Porcelijn. Release date 15-5-2008.
Another Dutch composer of great quality, writing in the late Romantic style, very melodious, and full of good tunes. They plan to release even more works from him. After Rontgen and Badings, this is indeed good news!

Good news indeed! JPC even states that you will have it in two weeks: `Erscheinungstermin: 21.4.2008'

The complete series wil offer the five symphonies (1901, 1903, 1903, 1915 and 1922 respectively) and the later opera `Thijl' (1940) - we all know for its famous Treurmuziek (funeral music), a Dutch classic for solemn occasions, when Haitink uses to lead the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra & the whole not-so-royal nation through it. 0:)

[Harry]

Good news indeed! JPC even states that you will have it in two weeks: `Erscheinungstermin: 21.4.2008'

The complete series wil offer the five symphonies (1901, 1903, 1903, 1915 and 1922 respectively) and the later opera `Thijl' (1940) - we all know for its famous Treurmuziek (funeral music), a Dutch classic for solemn occasions, when Haitink uses to lead the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra & the whole not-so-royal nation through it. 0:)

But then again, I never heard of this orchestra that is doing the honours with van Gilse? Netherlands SO?

[Christo]

But then again, I never heard of this orchestra that is doing the honours with van Gilse? Netherlands SO?

NSO appears to be the name for international use applied by the Orkest van het Oosten, based at Enschedé (not that far away from your own plaggenhut, btw!)

The one release that I missed, and only observed now, being the second installment in the Röntgen series. Do you happen to know it?

                       

[Harry]

NSO appears to be the name for international use applied by the Orkest van het Oosten, based at Enschedé (not that far away from your own plaggenhut, btw!)

The one release that I missed, and only observed now, being the second installment in the Röntgen series. Do you happen to know it?

                       

I changed my Plaggenhut, for a super modern home my friend back in 1978!
You are a bit behind with recent info alltogether........
Het Orkest van het Oosten, a provincial orchestra of rather doubtful quality, at least what I heard of it.
But maybe I am behind with my info, for it was a long time ago I heard them do a live recording of Rachmaninov's first Symphony, and I walked out of that concert...
I have the second instalment of Rontgen's music, but I tremble a bit for its modernity. I have to come to terms with vocal music from that time yet, but one of these days I will play it, no doubt.
The same orchestra, blimey I did not notice this before, because I ordered it without thinking to much about the orchestra, and also the Vocal section of these forces..........

[Christo]

I changed my Plaggenhut, for a super modern home my friend back in 1978!
                                      (...)
I have the second instalment of Rontgen's music, but I tremble a bit for its modernity.

Really, but could we observe the minor differences between a super modern plaggenhut from 1978 or one from 1798? (Both dates sound very ancient indeed). 

`Modernity' is a word his biographer and critic Jurriaan Vis, who last month presented his elaborate doctoral thesis on Röntgen here in Utrecht, has never come up with. In his view, Röntgen sternly belongs to the 19th century, even if he continued composing untill 1931.

Talking about recent CD issues, I now discovered another new release I didn't observe before. It includes part of the  Harmony of the Spheres that I own in the complete, original recording, taking 64 minutes on its own:

               

[Dundonnell]

Hold on, hold on! Where did you get the info' about the release of the van Gilse Symphonies Nos. 1 and 2? The CPO website does not have the April releases up yet. I can't read German but I do know what "Neuheiten" means and the 'neuheiten' on their site covers the March releases.

I googled CPO + van Gilse and found the Joachim Raff forums(www.raff.org), according to which CPO intends to release this year-

the Bischoff Symphony No.2, von Reznicek's Symphony No.1, Rontgen's Symphony No.10 and Bruno Walter's Symphony No.1.

Interesting stuff!


Oh, by the way, I thought Rontgen's "Aus Goethes Faust" much more attractive and impressive than the 3rd symphony.

[Harry]

`Modernity' is a word his biographer and critic Jurriaan Vis, who last month presented his elaborate doctoral thesis on Röntgen here in Utrecht, has never come up with. In his view, Röntgen sternly belongs to the 19th century, even if he continued composing untill 1931.

Yes, you are right, I should have said that this view is very personally, of course Rontgen is far from modern.....

[Harry]

Hold on, hold on! Where did you get the info' about the release of the van Gilse Symphonies Nos. 1 and 2? The CPO website does not have the April releases up yet. I can't read German but I do know what "Neuheiten" means and the 'neuheiten' on their site covers the March releases.

I googled CPO + van Gilse and found the Joachim Raff forums(www.raff.org), according to which CPO intends to release this year-

the Bischoff Symphony No.2, von Reznicek's Symphony No.1, Rontgen's Symphony No.10 and Bruno Walter's Symphony No.1.

Well under Neuheiten it was today.... They refresh their info every day in neuheiten!
And I agree, the Bischoff/Reznicek/Rontgen releases are of major interest, at least for me.
Bisschoff second symphony, wow, I am already impatient.