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Christo

#120
April 11, 2008, 12:19:07 AM
At present, I'm much more concerned with everything I can find by Léon Orthel (1905-1985). I was extremely happy to find that the reissue of a series of radio recordings opens with his great Evocazione per orchestra that I heard in the Radio in the 1970s and really love to hear again: muscular, colourfull music, not unlike Tubin, Englund, or Barber.

The greatest discovery however being his Third Symphony from 1943 - a real war symphony, with even hidden references better not known to the occupier. Now that we are rediscovering Richard Arnell in the UK, and for very good reasons, we should do the same with Orthel.

           
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

Christo

#121
April 11, 2008, 12:21:08 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on April 11, 2008, 12:15:51 AM
I wonder what Röntgen adds to Berlioz and Schumann (among many others)...
What Havergal Brian did with the Prologue to Faust is not without interest either:
http://www.mediafire.com/?jmdsed11jxi

Ha!! I was waiting for Brian, could only surpress my inclination to name him as well because I was d-d sure you would'nt let this post go without doing so. No Faust without Brian, of course!
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

J.Z. Herrenberg

#122
April 11, 2008, 12:26:23 AM
Quote from: Christo on April 11, 2008, 12:19:07 AM
The greatest discovery however being his Third Symphony from 1943 - a real war symphony, with even hidden references better not known to the occupier. Now that we are rediscovering Richard Arnell in the UK, and for very good reasons, we should do the same with Orthel.

You really have whetted my appetite! Those 'hidden references' - I suspect reminiscences of Valerius?
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

Christo

#123
April 11, 2008, 12:35:19 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on April 11, 2008, 12:26:23 AM
You really have whetted my appetite! Those 'hidden references' - I suspect reminiscences of Valerius?

No, Valerius' glorious rebirth was over by those years - modernism had made its way into the Dutch interwar music as well. As it goes with things well hidden - no greater fun than to discover them for yourselves  ;D  ;)
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

J.Z. Herrenberg

#124
April 11, 2008, 12:36:50 AM
Quote from: Christo on April 11, 2008, 12:35:19 AM
No, Valerius' glorious rebirth was over by those years - modernism had made its way into the Dutch interwar music as well. As it goes with things well hidden - no greater fun than to discover them for yourselves  ;D  ;)

You are cruel.  :'( But right, of course.  :)
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

Christo

#125
April 11, 2008, 01:40:07 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on April 11, 2008, 12:36:50 AM
.. of course.  :)

As always. >:D  Do you happen to know any other piece by Orthel, e.g. his equally muscular Second Symphony, the Piccola Sinfonia (1940), often regarded his masterpiece? The Second and Third can well stand comparison with e.g. Englund or Arnell, and I'm very curious after his Fifth `Musica iniziale' (1960) and especially the larger Sixth (1961).

(The Fourth, a `Sinfonia concertante' from 1949, is also on this double CD, but it's more a kind of virtuoso piano concerto meant for his own performance, sounding very much like a Rachmaninoff 5.

A fine performance of the Piccola Sinfonia (in 1959 stereo) is in this great box I recently ordered from JPC for just the p&p costs:
                     
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

J.Z. Herrenberg

#126
April 11, 2008, 01:44:37 AM
Quote from: Christo on April 11, 2008, 01:40:07 AM
Do you happen to know any other piece by Orthel, e.g. his equally muscular Second Symphony, the Piccola Sinfonia (1940), often regarded his masterpiece?

I only heard it once, in 1981, I think. A very good friend of mine (he still is) had the LP. I vaguely remember the sound...
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

Dundonnell

#127
April 11, 2008, 04:14:57 AM
Oh dear! Another new composer to explore! All this is costing me too much money!

The references to Arnell, Tubin and Englund are TOO tempting however. If Orthel's music sounds like that of these composers I cannot resist!! :)

Christo

#128
April 11, 2008, 04:21:54 AM
Quote from: Dundonnell on April 11, 2008, 04:14:57 AM
Oh dear! Another new composer to explore! All this is costing me too much money!

The references to Arnell, Tubin and Englund are TOO tempting however. If Orthel's music sounds like that of these composers I cannot resist!! :)

Oh, he's actually even much better!   0:) (But please, don't blame me for my opinion in case you'll think otherwise ...  :'( )

I perhaps better send you a copy of the main orchestral pieces by Orthel on one CD, as they're found on to many different releases (the second half of the twofer contains chamber music).
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

Dundonnell

#129
April 11, 2008, 04:26:09 AM
Quote from: Christo on April 11, 2008, 04:21:54 AM
Oh, he's actually even much better!   0:) (But please, don't blame me for my opinion in case you'll think otherwise ...  :'( )

I perhaps better send you a copy of the main orchestral pieces by Orthel on one CD, as they're found on to many different releases (the second half of the twofer contains chamber music).

Well, that would be quite fantastic!

Thom

#130
April 11, 2008, 06:00:17 AM
Perhaps Christo, you could do an upload to rapidshare?

Th.

Christo

#131
April 13, 2008, 05:56:18 AM
Quote from: Thom on April 11, 2008, 06:00:17 AM
Perhaps Christo, you could do an upload to rapidshare?
Th.

Good idea. Lethe already made a lot available, earlier in this thread. I'll do the same as soon as I'll have time to find out how it works, technically :-)
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

J.Z. Herrenberg

#132
April 13, 2008, 06:58:47 AM
Quote from: Christo on April 13, 2008, 05:56:18 AM
Good idea. Lethe already made a lot available, earlier in this thread. I'll do the same as soon as I'll have time to find out how it works, technically :-)

If you need any help, PM me. And don't use Rapidshare but MediaFire...
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

Dundonnell

#133
April 13, 2008, 07:08:16 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on April 13, 2008, 06:58:47 AM
If you need any help, PM me. And don't use Rapidshare but MediaFire...

Yes, if an ancient technophobe like me can master Mediafire any one can! It is really very easy-I promise you! All you have to do is (a) register (b) tell Mediafire to upload however many files from your computer you wish (c) it then uploads the files and provides you with the link which you can then provide to anyone else you want to share your files with. It is so easy!

Christo

#134
April 13, 2008, 08:04:40 AM Last Edit: April 13, 2008, 08:07:33 AM by Christo
Ok then. Baby's first attempt at a Mediafire upload.

Julius Röntgen, Sijmphonie in cis `Herrn Generalmusik-direktor Carl Schuricht zugeeignet' (1930)

http://www.mediafire.com/?jdxzzyntdvj

The Symphony in C sharp minor is dated 8 May 1930 and dedicated to Carl Schuricht, who conducted the traditional summer concerts in the Scheveningen Kurhaus in the early 1930s. There, he performed this formally one-movement symphony on a number of occasions. The sections being: Andante mesto - Allegro agitato - Lento - Tempo I - Lento - Tempo I. There's a pastoral streak to the work expressed in the vocalise part for solo soprano.
It's here performed by the Netherlands Radio Symphony Orchestra under Jac van Steen, with Roberta Alexander, soprano.



... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

J.Z. Herrenberg

#135
April 13, 2008, 08:12:42 AM Last Edit: April 13, 2008, 08:14:35 AM by Jezetha
You're a fast learner, Christo! Dl'ing as I write... This is the symphony I liked - great to have it!

P.S. Hm, this is the other one. Never mind! I'll reassess it.
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

Dundonnell

#136
April 13, 2008, 08:23:54 AM
Quote from: Christo on April 13, 2008, 08:04:40 AM
Ok then. Baby's first attempt at a Mediafire upload.

Julius Röntgen, Sijmphonie in cis `Herrn Generalmusik-direktor Carl Schuricht zugeeignet' (1930)

http://www.mediafire.com/?jdxzzyntdvj

The Symphony in C sharp minor is dated 8 May 1930 and dedicated to Carl Schuricht, who conducted the traditional summer concerts in the Scheveningen Kurhaus in the early 1930s. There, he performed this formally one-movement symphony on a number of occasions. The sections being: Andante mesto - Allegro agitato - Lento - Tempo I - Lento - Tempo I. There's a pastoral streak to the work expressed in the vocalise part for solo soprano.
It's here performed by the Netherlands Radio Symphony Orchestra under Jac van Steen, with Roberta Alexander, soprano.





That worked perfectly! Congratulations!! I see that it is labelled "Nummer 9". Does that mean it is Rontgen's 9th Symphony? From the Rontgen Foundation website it looks like No.6 but I know that there are problems with the numbering of the symphonies.

Many thanks!

Thom

#137
April 13, 2008, 09:31:00 AM
Christo, thank you, much obliged.
Actually, I think it is his 8th symphony.

Thom

Dundonnell

#138
April 13, 2008, 10:10:09 AM
Quote from: Thom on April 13, 2008, 09:31:00 AM
Christo, thank you, much obliged.
Actually, I think it is his 8th symphony.

Thom
Confusingly, the Julius Rontgen Society(UK) says that it is No.4!

pjme

#139
April 13, 2008, 10:14:17 AM
I'll upload later (possibly only tomorroiw) Rudolf Escher's "Hymne du grand Meaulnes" - a really extremely beautiful work. It was available on a Teleac CD,which I found purely by chance.

Peter
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