Dutch Composers

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

I simply assumed you went mad 

[Lilas Pastia]

I must have missed something... Sorry for not being very assiduous here (or elsewhere for that matter ). But yes, I reiterate that Orthel's symphonies are all excellent (well, 2-4 for I haven't come across his first yet). But the second is probably the most interesting. Imposing and utterly confident, it's much more than the sum of its notes.

[Dundonnell]

I must have missed something... Sorry for not being very assiduous here (or elsewhere for that matter ). But yes, I reiterate that Orthel's symphonies are all excellent (well, 2-4 for I haven't come across his first yet). But the second is probably the most interesting. Imposing and utterly confident, it's much more than the sum of its notes.

Just for the record ....Orthel wrote six symphonies in total. Nos. 5 and 6 date from 1960 and 1961 respectively. No.5 is a short piece(16 minutes) and is subtitled 'Musica iniziale', while No.6 is a big piece(35 minutes). Although he lived another 24 years Orthel wrote no more symphonies after 1961. Neither symphony has been recorded-to my knowledge. CPO?

Listing of Orthel's compositions(in Dutch)-

http://catalogus.donemus.nl/minisis/werkenlijstNL.php?/144/muzisn_link/werkenlijst/n+ORTHEL,%20LEON@?COMMANDSEARCH

[Lilas Pastia]

Thanks for the correction. I had wrongly assumed #4 was the last of the lot sinc eI had never heard of any successor. So we can hope there could be a recording of 5 and 6. Has the first been recorded? I don't see it listed in that link ??

[Dundonnell]

You are right! I withdraw the word 'full' from my description of the Donemus link The list does not include much that Orthel wrote before 1947.

The 1st Symphony dates from 1936(when Orthel was developing his idiom). It has not been recorded.

[Lilas Pastia]

Well, we should be thankful for what we have, then! Seriously, as I have mentioned soemtime late last year (say, about a month ago  ), discovering the orchestral music of Vermeulen and Orthel has been one of the the highlights of my musical year.

And thank God for that, because it's been a rather poor musical year, other than amassing loads of discs it'll take me years to get down to 

[Christo]

And thank God for that, because it's been a rather poor musical year, other than amassing loads of discs it'll take me years to get down to 

This is commonly known as : "You're Taking the Words Right out of My Mouth" 

[Lethevich]

Per a PM request, I am beginning to reupload a bunch of music from earlier in the thread. This time I am putting it on Rapidshare so it remains permenently available (mediafire proved a bit problematic last time). I'll add more as they get upped.

Escher - Musique pour l'esprit en deuil, Passacaglia // L. Andriessen - De Staat // H. Andriessen - Symphony No.2, Kuhnau Variations // Wagenaar - Sinfonietta, Cyrano de Bergerac Overture // Wagenaar, H. Andreissen - Cyrano de Bergerac, Organ Concerto // Gilse - Symphony No.2 // Verbey - Clarinet Concerto // Gouvy - Symphony No.6, Sinfonietta // Zweers - Symphony No.3 // Röntgen - Cello Concerto No.2 // Röntgen - Piano Trio No.3, String Quartet No.2 // Röntgen - Piano Trio No.4, String Quartet No.14 // Diepenbrock - Te Deum // Diepenbrock - Elektra Suite // Badings - Cello Concerto No.2 // Badings - Cello Concerto No.2 (different recording) // Schat - Houdini // Dopper - Symphony No.7 // Dopper - Symphony No.1 // Dopper - Gothic Chaconne

The Kuhnau Variations should appeal to Britten fans, quite nice light-footed romanticism.

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

Great initiative!

[Some people have reported downloading from MediaFire didn't go very well; and Rapidshare is giving me trouble with uploading... Count yourself lucky!]

[Dundonnell]

Dutch composers rock

(Doesn't sound right coming from me somehow It's all these young Americans on here you know!!)

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

Dutch composers rock

(Doesn't sound right coming from me somehow It's all these young Americans on here you know!!)

If you had said Dutch composers suck I really would have been mad. 

[karlhenning]

You don't want to tick Jezetha off . . . .

[Lilas Pastia]

Is this Théodore Gouvy you're offering ?

[Lethevich]

Is this Théodore Gouvy you're offering ?

The file says "Louis Théodore Gouvy (1819–1898)" but from looking him up, he doesn't have much to do with the Netherlands. I wonder why he was included in the series.

[springrite]

The file says "Louis Théodore Gouvy (1819–1898)" but from looking him up, he doesn't have much to do with the Netherlands. I wonder why he was included in the series.

Must be a Dutch grandmother then!

OH, this download limit thing. This will take me a few days...

[Lethevich]

OH, this download limit thing. This will take me a few days...

If you have a dynamic IP (I can't believe ISPs class a static IP as a "perk") then you can just disconnect and reload your internet after a minute or so, and it should negate the Rapidshare limit.

[Lilas Pastia]

Théodore Gouvy (like Florent Schmitt) was a lorrain composer - ie, he hailed from a portion of France that was annexed back and forth by Germany and France between 1815 and 1945 (Alsace and Sarre were the others). When Gouvy was born in 1819, Lorraine had been handed over to Germany under the Versailles Treaty, following Napoleon's defeat at Waterloo. Therefore, Gouvy could not obtain French citizenship before he was 32 years of age (1851).

He is a very good composer, the author of some large scale chamber works and a very fine Requiem. The file comprises his Sinfonietta, op. 80 and Symphony no. 6, neither of which has been recorded (indeed, I wasn't aware of their existence at all!).  A real find: I can't thank you enough for that!

[springrite]

If you have a dynamic IP (I can't believe ISPs class a static IP as a "perk") then you can just disconnect and reload your internet after a minute or so, and it should negate the Rapidshare limit.

Uh, much better. Thanks!

I am feeling so Dutch now, I think I will ask Vanessa to pay for half for the lunch we are about to have.

[some guy]

Thirteen pages so far, and still no mention of Institute of Sonology. For shame.

Here's some music from three alumni, Wouter Snoei:

http://www.woutersnoei.nl/composities/pulse/files/pulse.mp3

Alo Allik:

http://tehis.net/sounds/sundimatus.mp3

And Jorrit Tamminga:

http://kmt.hku.nl/~jorrit/mp3/bosch.mp3

And, someone who's just Dutch, Michel van der Aa:

http://www.doublea.net/media_audio/Second%20Self-live.mp3

All these people are alive. I know you folks prefer your composers to be dead (or at least to write as if they were ), but too bad. (No one's forcing you to listen to any of this.)

[Christo]

Uh, much better. Thanks!

I am feeling so Dutch now, I think I will ask Vanessa to pay for half for the lunch we are about to have.