Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)

[drogulus]

 

New York times = Dems? Huh?

     Trump is at war with any news outlet that won't propagandize for him. Even when Dems are getting hit hard they can't war with the media because they value facts for themselves. It's in the ideology that facts are not themselves partisan whatever partisan purpose they might serve. Before climate change became partisan it was established fact, becoming partisan didn't change that. If Repubs decide the facts aren't facts for beliefy reasons they need to be hit hard for the way they allow partisanship to distort reality. Reality doesn't disappear because people refuse to acknowledge it. Repub brain rot is self inflicted.

[zamyrabyrd]

"Now, Mr. Flynn, show us on the doll where Mr. Obama touched you."

Yea, I'm jus yankin Karl's chain this morning... he's right, it IS a slow morning,lol except for James Levine

I'm just sitting back and watching the show.

Pass the popcorn! 

[Karl Henning]

     Trump is at war with any news outlet that won't propagandize for him. Even when Dems are getting hit hard they can't war with the media because they value facts for themselves. It's in the ideology that facts are not themselves partisan whatever partisan purpose they might serve. Before climate change became partisan it was established fact, becoming partisan didn't change that. If Repubs decide the facts aren't facts for beliefy reasons they need to be hit hard for the way they allow partisanship to distort reality. Reality doesn't disappear because people refuse to acknowledge it. Repub brain rot is self inflicted.

Solid.

[BasilValentine]

So, you didn't read the article then.

"It appears to have caught the attention of senators as well. Senator Dianne Feinstein of California, the top Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee, penned letters to several Trump campaign foreign policy advisers last week asking for all documents related to the N.R.A., Mr. Erickson, Mr. Torshin, Mr. Clay, Mr. Dearborn and others."

But yes, the failing New York Times is rotten with Dems and people with anti-Trump biases.  Even the failing New York Times recognizes this, hence the change to social media guidelines in October.

I read it. My point is that an individual member of the Judiciary Committee sensibly requesting relevant documents does not have any connection to your heading, (Dems trying new angle, linking NRA to Russia etc.) which implies a concerted party strategy. Nothing in the article or what you have posted justifies your line. Of course what you are implying is that it's all just party politics, rather than an effort by people of all parties to protect our democracy, such as it is, from treasonous thugs.

[Karl Henning]

[El Tupé] can't keep his story straight

If nothing they did was wrong, why all the lying?

[Todd]

from treasonous thugs.

I'd very much like to see evidence for anyone having committed treason, relying on the actual legal meaning of that word in the US.

Beyond that, Ms Feinstein is no ordinary Dem, but the ranking minority member of the Senate Judiciary Committee.  Now, it is possible, with 2018 almost here, that a perceived linkage between Russia and the NRA will not be exploited for partisan political purposes during an election year.  It is also quite possible, and here I will say probable, that such a perceived linkage will be used for partisan political purposes during an election year.

[Karl Henning]

After former national security adviser Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI — and President Trump tweeted about it — aides to Trump spent the weekend trying to stop the bleeding from more self-inflicted wounds.

[nodogen]

     Trump is at war with any news outlet that won't propagandize for him. Even when Dems are getting hit hard they can't war with the media because they value facts for themselves. It's in the ideology that facts are not themselves partisan whatever partisan purpose they might serve. Before climate change became partisan it was established fact, becoming partisan didn't change that. If Repubs decide the facts aren't facts for beliefy reasons they need to be hit hard for the way they allow partisanship to distort reality. Reality doesn't disappear because people refuse to acknowledge it. Repub brain rot is self inflicted.

Reminiscent of the deGrasse Tyson quote:

"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it."

[Todd]

Reminiscent of the deGrasse Tyson quote:

"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it."

True, but science has nothing to do with political coverage in the press.

[Karl Henning]

What does [El Presidente Tupé] believe? New reporting from The Post and the New York Times tells us that he has made a habit of suggesting privately that the "Access Hollywood" tape of his vulgar comments about women was faked. This is even though [El Tupé] acknowledged himself its authenticity — and apologized for his "locker room talk" — when the tape surfaced more than a year ago.

This astonishing reversal has raised concerns over [El Tupé's] connection to reality. Once again, we return to the unresolvable puzzle of whether the president's attacks on the truth are a sign of a deteriorating mental state or a plan to distract, confuse and sow distrust. But whether or not there's method behind [El Tupé's] untruths, one thing is certain: They are antidemocratic in effect and instinct.

[drogulus]

True, but science has nothing to do with political coverage in the press.

     That's false. Repubs are conducting a war on scientific objectivity which requires that it be covered at the level of politics without ever being reduced to that level. Repubs apply your partisan truth standard to reality itself and will suffer the consequences by being outed as ideological cretins.

[Todd]

That's false.

No, this quoted line is false. 

Your pronouncements on the fate of Republicans are worthless.  Remember, before last year's election, you pontificated about the imminent demise of the Republican Party after Hillary's big win and a Democrat sweep.

[Todd]

Supreme Court allows full enforcement of Trump travel ban while legal challenges continue

Winning! 

(Well, OK, only sort of.)

[Todd]

Trump shrinks two huge national monuments in Utah, drawing praise and protests

Let the lawsuits begin!

[Karl Henning]

Karma is even now sharpening her teeth for the presidential fundament:

[El Tupé] may face a reckoning in case brought by female accuser

[Karl Henning]

"We have nothing to hide, there was no collusion.  Oh, and if there was, who cares?"

The White House's latest fallback: Who cares if [El Tupé] colluded with Russia?

[BasilValentine]

Beyond that, Ms Feinstein is no ordinary Dem, but the ranking minority member of the Senate Judiciary Committee.  Now, it is possible, with 2018 almost here, that a perceived linkage between Russia and the NRA will not be exploited for partisan political purposes during an election year.  It is also quite possible, and here I will say probable, that such a perceived linkage will be used for partisan political purposes during an election year.

So, in other words, there is no new Dem angle, there is only one you imagine might or might not come into being at some future point. Thank you, that was exactly my point.

[BasilValentine]

True, but science has nothing to do with political coverage in the press.

Nothing to do with it — unless one is capable of abstract thought. Both scientific conclusions and political press coverage are normatively fact based, whereas administration positions on, for example, climate change and fake news stories generated by the Trump bullshit machine are not. This is what they "have to do with" each other.

[Florestan]

"We have nothing to hide, there was no collusion.  Oh, and if there was, who cares?"

The White House's latest fallback: Who cares if [El Tupé] colluded with Russia?

By the way.

On December 1st (our National Day) I was, together with my wife, son and father-in-law, in the audience of the military parade. Incidentally, we were located exactly vis-a-vis the Russian Embassy. So, when my four-year-nine-month son asked his mother "Mom, where are our cruel ennemies?" ("your cruel ennemies" is a line from our national anthem --- which dates back from the 1848 Revolution time --- and which he must have overheard when sung by the chorus), I replied in a loud voice: "Just across the street, my son, just across the street!", thus provoking an uproarious laughter among our neighbors. 

So count me in as one who very much cares if there was any such collusion.

[Todd]

So, in other words, there is no new Dem angle

Actually, on this you might be right - it's merely an expansion of Russia hysteria.  Nothing new here.