"The Force Awakens" is the WORST movie of all time

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I liked The Force Awakens better than A New Hope honeslty.  I just felt I enjoy the dynamics between the characters more. I don't really care if something like Star Wars is described as a 'good' or 'bad' movie. :P

One thing I always love is the soundtrack ;D

And also I do really like the development of Obi-wan in the prequels and the much more diverse and much more interesting universe present in the prequels.

Cato

Quote from: david johnson on December 27, 2016, 12:14:43 AM
It appears that some here have never watched the entire "Billy Jack" series.  Only those who have done so have the credibility to speak about the worst movies :P

BILLY JACK!!!  There was a theater in my hometown where it showed for a year!!! ??? :o ??? :o ??? :o 

The hippies and assorted flower children kept it going as a local obsession! 8)

The character first appeared in a minor epic called Born Losers.  (WHY do I remember that?! 0:))  He is supposed to be part American Indian, which explains the hat.

Watch basic physics be violated as much as in a Road Runner cartoon:

https://www.youtube.com/v/gCSF42Q74n8

On topic: The Phantom Menace is worse than The Force Awakens.

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BTW, The Room is widely regarded as the worst film ever.  But it's so bad it's become interesting as a train wreck and has a cult following. From Wiki:  "Ross Morin, an assistant professor of film studies at St. Cloud State University in Minnesota, United States, described The Room to Entertainment Weekly as "the Citizen Kane of bad movies"."
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Quote from: The new erato on December 27, 2016, 02:24:22 AM
It's OK to enjoy turkeys (I do too), but it's not ok (in my book) to confuse them with good movies. Enjoyment and quality is not always correlated. The same goes for music, wine and a lot of stuff.

I can endorse these sentiments.

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Quote from: david johnson on December 27, 2016, 12:14:43 AM
It appears that some here have never watched the entire "Billy Jack" series.


I intend preserving my innocence of them. (But, your point taken.)

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Quote from: jessop on December 27, 2016, 03:28:41 AM
I liked The Force Awakens better than A New Hope honeslty.  I just felt I enjoy the dynamics between the characters more. I don't really care if something like Star Wars is described as a 'good' or 'bad' movie. :P

One thing I always love is the soundtrack ;D

And also I do really like the development of Obi-wan in the prequels and the much more diverse and much more interesting universe present in the prequels.

Considering your age, you probably grew up on the prequels and they're very much a part of your DNA. For myself, on the other hand, I grew up with the original trilogy and it will always be my favorite, in particular, The Empire Strikes Back, which, IMHO, is the best Star Wars film to date. I really enjoyed The Force Awakens and I thought Kylo-Ren was a multidimensional villain that I'm really looking forward to seeing how he develops. He's not like Darth Vader at all and even though he aspires to be as powerful as Vader (his grandfather of course), I don't believe he'll ever reach his full potential in the Dark Side because there's just too much good in him. But, who knows, maybe Kylo-Ren meets his demise in this next installment at the hands of Rey or Luke Skywalker?

P.S. Don't tell anyone but I have a statue of Kylo-Ren in my room. ;)


(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: 71 dB on December 27, 2016, 01:42:21 AM
I don't bother "taking sides" among movie critics. I ignore them. To me most of them are narrow-minded morrons who think the closer a movie is to Casablanca, the better it is. Those people don't understand that some of us smart/educated people need our popcorn entertaiment too just as ice cream and chocolate isn't eaten only by dumb people.

Why so defensive? If you ignore critics, how do you know what they actually say? Roger Ebert was a critic who revered the art work of Bresson, Ozu, Bergman, et al., but could also relish good pop entertainment like Star Wars and Harry Potter as being good of its kind.

I just don't think he presents his case as well as Simon does in their contretemps. And this idea that critics are narrow-minded morons is just a cliché. Good critics are rare, but invaluable.
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Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on December 27, 2016, 06:38:32 AM
Why so defensive? If you ignore critics, how do you know what they actually say? Roger Ebert was a critic who revered the art work of Bresson, Ozu, Bergman, et al., but could also relish good pop entertainment like Star Wars and Harry Potter as being good of its kind.

I paid attention to the (Finnish) critics when I was younger and based on that I started to ignore them. As far as I know nothing has changed since.
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Quote from: 71 dB on December 27, 2016, 08:34:03 AM
I paid attention to the (Finnish) critics when I was younger and based on that I started to ignore them. As far as I know nothing has changed since.

I just think generalizations like that are untenable.
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Quote from: Mirror Image on December 27, 2016, 06:23:11 AM
Considering your age, you probably grew up on the prequels and they're very much a part of your DNA. For myself, on the other hand, I grew up with the original trilogy and it will always be my favorite, in particular, The Empire Strikes Back, which, IMHO, is the best Star Wars film to date. I really enjoyed The Force Awakens and I thought Kylo-Ren was a multidimensional villain that I'm really looking forward to seeing how he develops. He's not like Darth Vader at all and even though he aspires to be as powerful as Vader (his grandfather of course), I don't believe he'll ever reach his full potential in the Dark Side because there's just too much good in him. But, who knows, maybe Kylo-Ren meets his demise in this next installment at the hands of Rey or Luke Skywalker?

P.S. Don't tell anyone but I have a statue of Kylo-Ren in my room. ;)



Best Star wars "to date" !
Lost my coffee over that one!

SimonNZ

Quote from: Ghost Sonata on December 27, 2016, 04:13:13 AM
BTW, The Room is widely regarded as the worst film ever.  But it's so bad it's become interesting as a train wreck and has a cult following. From Wiki:  "Ross Morin, an assistant professor of film studies at St. Cloud State University in Minnesota, United States, described The Room to Entertainment Weekly as "the Citizen Kane of bad movies"."

I hadn't heard of that 2003 film before now, and was confused for a second because I thought you must have meant the 2015 film based on the Emma Donoghue novel.

fwiw the worst film I've ever seen is Catherine Breillat's 1999 film Romance. I'd rather watch Phantom Menace (or probably 2003 The Room) every day for a month than that one more time.

Mahlerian

Quote from: SimonNZ on December 27, 2016, 11:42:01 AM
I hadn't heard of that 2003 film before now, and was confused for a second because I thought you must have meant the 2015 film based on the Emma Donoghue novel.

fwiw the worst film I've ever seen is Catherine Breillat's 1999 film Romance. I'd rather watch Phantom Menace (or probably 2003 The Room) every day for a month than that one more time.

The Room is both inept on every level and thoroughly pretentious; the director/writer/star wanted to make a serious, meaningful drama, but had no clue how to do any aspect of one.  It acts like it's a treatise on the human condition but turns out as a silly episode of a third-tier soap opera, and no one on camera seems to realize it, least of all the director.
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Quote from: Mahlerian on December 27, 2016, 12:00:30 PM
The Room is both inept on every level and thoroughly pretentious; the director/writer/star wanted to make a serious, meaningful drama, but had no clue how to do any aspect of one.  It acts like it's a treatise on the human condition but turns out as a silly episode of a third-tier soap opera, and no one on camera seems to realize it, least of all the director.

Agree on all counts - but that's why it's such a curious document of human failing. 
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Quote from: Ghost Sonata on December 27, 2016, 12:15:16 PM
Agree on all counts - but that's why it's such a curious document of human failing.

The most entertaining bad movies seem to be those where the people involved really did care about what they were doing.  Generic soulless junk is merely boring, whereas a true disaster in concept and/or execution can be quite memorable.
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I saw TFA and thought it was enjoyable. I love Darth Vader, I wanna be that badass  :P

On the other hand, TFA, and StarWars in general, is not my favorite type of scifi, since it's more focused in the adventures and the story rather than in science and philosophy (I'm not saying that these things are completely abscent, though). For instance, l also saw Arrival, which is more my type. I wouldn't say it's a great film (there were many cliches which I found annoying), and also I don't agree with the main philosophical and scientific idea about time presented in the film, but at least makes you think about it. I recommend it.